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	<title>Comments on: Your Net Worth Is An Illusion, Sorry To Spoil Your Delusion!</title>
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	<description>Slicing Through Money&#039;s Mysteries</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas &#124; Imperial</title>
		<link>http://www.financialsamurai.com/2009/09/18/your-net-worth-is-an-illusion-sorry-to-spoil-your-delusion/comment-page-1/#comment-36091</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas &#124; Imperial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know this has to be one of the better posts I have read.  I would have to agree that CASH should be your ultimate factor when determining your net worth.  I mean after all it all boils down to what you can use in the end.  If you don&#039;t own a house or even if its paid for you can all use the money once its sold or what ever loan you can get against it in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know this has to be one of the better posts I have read.  I would have to agree that CASH should be your ultimate factor when determining your net worth.  I mean after all it all boils down to what you can use in the end.  If you don&#8217;t own a house or even if its paid for you can all use the money once its sold or what ever loan you can get against it in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you will sleep better holding equities and real estate.  Sounds good to me.

Around how old are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you will sleep better holding equities and real estate.  Sounds good to me.</p>
<p>Around how old are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, I was going to publish it today, but then I read over the weekend another bailout offers mortgage payments for one year and had to write the Free $50,000 post!  Will go up Wed prolly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, I was going to publish it today, but then I read over the weekend another bailout offers mortgage payments for one year and had to write the Free $50,000 post!  Will go up Wed prolly.</p>
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		<title>By: youngandthrifty</title>
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		<dc:creator>youngandthrifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sam! I came to see your mid-year update! ;)  I&#039;ll check back tomorrow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sam! I came to see your mid-year update! ;)  I&#8217;ll check back tomorrow!</p>
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		<title>By: traineeinvestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>traineeinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t disagree with you on the volatility risk faced by those who have to sell assets to meet living costs (and may be forced to sell in a downturn), I very strongly dislike cash as an asset class for the longer term - unless you believe in a return to deflation (very unlikely), it offers negative real retruns. The USD has lost most of its value since the Fed was created in 1913 - it would be a very brave investor who would gamble their financial life on that trend not continuing.  

For a retiree who does not have the benefit of a taxpayer funded pension, a portfolio of assets offering negative real returns requires either accepting declining living standards as one ages or a significantly higher amount of accumulated savings (which will at least delay or, at worst, frustrate, the timing of your retirement).

I&#039;m  happy to go with 2-3 years worth of living expenses in cash/near cash and take the real loss on that investment so that I don&#039;t end up being forced to liquidate assets at unfavourable prices, but everything else is going into higher yielding risk assets - real estate and equities which have at least the potential to grow over time. The emphasis is on yield (without making the mistake of reaching for it).  If the cash flow is good enough, what the assets are worth on any give day is irrelevant.  In the context of a 40+ year retirement, I&#039;ll sleep a lot easier at night holding mostly equities and real estate than I will if I have my life savings in assets which I know will lose a little bit of their real value each and every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t disagree with you on the volatility risk faced by those who have to sell assets to meet living costs (and may be forced to sell in a downturn), I very strongly dislike cash as an asset class for the longer term &#8211; unless you believe in a return to deflation (very unlikely), it offers negative real retruns. The USD has lost most of its value since the Fed was created in 1913 &#8211; it would be a very brave investor who would gamble their financial life on that trend not continuing.  </p>
<p>For a retiree who does not have the benefit of a taxpayer funded pension, a portfolio of assets offering negative real returns requires either accepting declining living standards as one ages or a significantly higher amount of accumulated savings (which will at least delay or, at worst, frustrate, the timing of your retirement).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m  happy to go with 2-3 years worth of living expenses in cash/near cash and take the real loss on that investment so that I don&#8217;t end up being forced to liquidate assets at unfavourable prices, but everything else is going into higher yielding risk assets &#8211; real estate and equities which have at least the potential to grow over time. The emphasis is on yield (without making the mistake of reaching for it).  If the cash flow is good enough, what the assets are worth on any give day is irrelevant.  In the context of a 40+ year retirement, I&#8217;ll sleep a lot easier at night holding mostly equities and real estate than I will if I have my life savings in assets which I know will lose a little bit of their real value each and every year.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividend Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of identifying wealth, I primarily focus on cash flow.  

Stock prices and home prices are subject to the opinion of the market.  So while a &quot;net worth&quot; calculation is good to know, it&#039;s not too meaningful.  Having an expensive home and other expensive assets doesn&#039;t work out so well if there isn&#039;t cash flow to keep the game going. 

Cash is good, but subject to risk as well.  As you&#039;ve pointed out, federal and state mismanagement has led to printing of cash, plus there are deficits, etc.  Having too much worth in cash makes inflation risk the largest risk to a portfolio.  Plus, perhaps the biggest risk for the average person is that they are unable to save enough for retirement- so having too low of a rate of return is a risk in and of itself.  Cash is just a promise that is only as good as the organization making the promise- the US federal government (or other countries). 

Buying assets and products that generate cash flow, to me, is the most &quot;real&quot; sort of value.  Dividend paying stocks, interest paying bonds, distribution paying partnerships, ownership stakes in private companies, and rental property, are assets that produce cash on an ongoing basis.  Diversifying into numerous sorts of asset classes reduces total risk- stocks, partnerships, and rental property hedge against inflation risk, while bonds help smooth out volatility and act as a cushion during recession.  Most corporations today are in better financial shape than countries are, and large stock price drops don&#039;t affect the ability to pay dividends and distributions- only the success or failure of those companies&#039; fundamental operations determine that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of identifying wealth, I primarily focus on cash flow.  </p>
<p>Stock prices and home prices are subject to the opinion of the market.  So while a &#8220;net worth&#8221; calculation is good to know, it&#8217;s not too meaningful.  Having an expensive home and other expensive assets doesn&#8217;t work out so well if there isn&#8217;t cash flow to keep the game going. </p>
<p>Cash is good, but subject to risk as well.  As you&#8217;ve pointed out, federal and state mismanagement has led to printing of cash, plus there are deficits, etc.  Having too much worth in cash makes inflation risk the largest risk to a portfolio.  Plus, perhaps the biggest risk for the average person is that they are unable to save enough for retirement- so having too low of a rate of return is a risk in and of itself.  Cash is just a promise that is only as good as the organization making the promise- the US federal government (or other countries). </p>
<p>Buying assets and products that generate cash flow, to me, is the most &#8220;real&#8221; sort of value.  Dividend paying stocks, interest paying bonds, distribution paying partnerships, ownership stakes in private companies, and rental property, are assets that produce cash on an ongoing basis.  Diversifying into numerous sorts of asset classes reduces total risk- stocks, partnerships, and rental property hedge against inflation risk, while bonds help smooth out volatility and act as a cushion during recession.  Most corporations today are in better financial shape than countries are, and large stock price drops don&#8217;t affect the ability to pay dividends and distributions- only the success or failure of those companies&#8217; fundamental operations determine that.</p>
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		<title>By: My University Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>My University Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does everyone think the recent effects deficit/debt talks at the highest levels of government will be?  Is there room for compromise when one side refuses to raise taxes and the other refuses to cut services?  I do like the pressure this puts on simplifying the tax code, but can there be meaningful debt reduction in the coming days/months?  How important is it to get this one right over and above the usual partisan politics, because I honestly feel like this could be a bit of a turning point for the States.  If the USA continues down the path of non-cooperation where one side cuts taxes when they are in power, and the other adds services when they are in power, yet all sides borrow to fund these projects, is there any doubt China will look at not recognizing the USD as the reserve currency for the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does everyone think the recent effects deficit/debt talks at the highest levels of government will be?  Is there room for compromise when one side refuses to raise taxes and the other refuses to cut services?  I do like the pressure this puts on simplifying the tax code, but can there be meaningful debt reduction in the coming days/months?  How important is it to get this one right over and above the usual partisan politics, because I honestly feel like this could be a bit of a turning point for the States.  If the USA continues down the path of non-cooperation where one side cuts taxes when they are in power, and the other adds services when they are in power, yet all sides borrow to fund these projects, is there any doubt China will look at not recognizing the USD as the reserve currency for the world?</p>
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		<title>By: My University Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>My University Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree, cash is not as good a holding as a Cash-PRODUCING asset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree, cash is not as good a holding as a Cash-PRODUCING asset.</p>
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