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	<title>Comments on: Someone Has To Give Birth!  Why Women Shouldn&#8217;t Be Penalized For Being A Mom.</title>
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		<title>By: Feeling Guilty And Afraid Of Taking Vacation &#124; Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feeling Guilty And Afraid Of Taking Vacation &#124; Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did you really just say this after you&#8217;ve taken four weeks off already, and are going on a 3-month maternity leave for the third time in 5 years?  I&#8217;m all for a 3-month maternity leave, or even 6 months as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] did you really just say this after you&#8217;ve taken four weeks off already, and are going on a 3-month maternity leave for the third time in 5 years?  I&#8217;m all for a 3-month maternity leave, or even 6 months as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kosjen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kosjen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some countries in Europe, including where I live, have not just 6, but 12 months of maternity/paternity leave. Maybe since we don&#039;t have so much immigration problems as United States, there is a perspective that children are NEEDED (because of everything &quot;B&quot; already wrote) and that the whole society IS responsible to provide support for working parents. Such support can come from the government, not necessarily just employers.

Not unreasonable support that irresponsible people might abuse (and some people will find a way to abuse just about anything), but healthy support from people who take an easier road in life to people who carry double burden. Most of posters here don&#039;t seem to understand just how demanding and exhausting it is to raise kids.

This discussion focuses mostly on economical aspects, but what about human aspect? The society is responsible to create laws that are for the overall benefit and health of society. There can be no healthy and happy society if women are forced to choose between children and career, or discriminated. It&#039;s not all about money. There can be no happiness and health wherever the focus is on money only.

I&#039;m surprised at Honey&#039;s comment... sounds like &quot;only wealthy people should be allowed to have kids!&quot; Not many people can be wealthy, there is a limited number of really well-paid jobs. Most people will inevitably end up working for somebody else, who will almost inevitably pay them a bare minimum required, not more than they have to. This is not an ideal world and maybe there is not so much chance for things to be different soon, but claiming that average people on average salaries shouldn&#039;t have kids is just ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some countries in Europe, including where I live, have not just 6, but 12 months of maternity/paternity leave. Maybe since we don&#8217;t have so much immigration problems as United States, there is a perspective that children are NEEDED (because of everything &#8220;B&#8221; already wrote) and that the whole society IS responsible to provide support for working parents. Such support can come from the government, not necessarily just employers.</p>
<p>Not unreasonable support that irresponsible people might abuse (and some people will find a way to abuse just about anything), but healthy support from people who take an easier road in life to people who carry double burden. Most of posters here don&#8217;t seem to understand just how demanding and exhausting it is to raise kids.</p>
<p>This discussion focuses mostly on economical aspects, but what about human aspect? The society is responsible to create laws that are for the overall benefit and health of society. There can be no healthy and happy society if women are forced to choose between children and career, or discriminated. It&#8217;s not all about money. There can be no happiness and health wherever the focus is on money only.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised at Honey&#8217;s comment&#8230; sounds like &#8220;only wealthy people should be allowed to have kids!&#8221; Not many people can be wealthy, there is a limited number of really well-paid jobs. Most people will inevitably end up working for somebody else, who will almost inevitably pay them a bare minimum required, not more than they have to. This is not an ideal world and maybe there is not so much chance for things to be different soon, but claiming that average people on average salaries shouldn&#8217;t have kids is just ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 02:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful topic with good points from both sides. I think with businesses it comes down to the ROI on an employee. If an employee can provide enough value for the company, then accommodations aren&#039;t so troublesome.   

If employers want to hire less women as a precaution, then they&#039;re limiting themselves. Like Neal Suggested, they may want to start their own business or they&#039;ll find a company where they can use their talents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful topic with good points from both sides. I think with businesses it comes down to the ROI on an employee. If an employee can provide enough value for the company, then accommodations aren&#8217;t so troublesome.   </p>
<p>If employers want to hire less women as a precaution, then they&#8217;re limiting themselves. Like Neal Suggested, they may want to start their own business or they&#8217;ll find a company where they can use their talents.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a good point that potentially and perhaps one day these kids will grow up to be productive members of society and give back.  After all, we need tons more youth to support the aging during social security which is why Germany and Japan have big problems!

Great comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good point that potentially and perhaps one day these kids will grow up to be productive members of society and give back.  After all, we need tons more youth to support the aging during social security which is why Germany and Japan have big problems!</p>
<p>Great comment.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point, all of us require something from the system that some others do not require. In this case, those babies are going to grow up to be the ones working and paying into the system that will be supporting all of us when we are elderly and no longer economically productive. They will be contributing to our  support, lifestyles, and to the maintenance of our nation&#039;s infrastructure and systems whether or not we actually had and supported to adulthood children of our own. For that reason, whining about the cost of doing business when it comes to employees and coworkers having children and taking time to do it well is shortsighted and the height of self-absorbed selfishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point, all of us require something from the system that some others do not require. In this case, those babies are going to grow up to be the ones working and paying into the system that will be supporting all of us when we are elderly and no longer economically productive. They will be contributing to our  support, lifestyles, and to the maintenance of our nation&#8217;s infrastructure and systems whether or not we actually had and supported to adulthood children of our own. For that reason, whining about the cost of doing business when it comes to employees and coworkers having children and taking time to do it well is shortsighted and the height of self-absorbed selfishness.</p>
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		<title>By: financialwizardess</title>
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		<dc:creator>financialwizardess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not at all surprised that a female manager would be less understanding than a male.  1)  she&#039;s bitter about her own situation and 2)  she doesn&#039;t worry about being called sexist.

I do wonder where you come up with 3 months leave.  I just gave birth 3 months ago and have been back at work for 8 weeks now.  :)  We get 6 weeks, as do most short term disability firms.  The rest of the 3 months you can take UNPAID per FMLA.  At least, that&#039;s how it works here.  So it&#039;s not really like you&#039;re getting 3 months of your salary.  I got 6 weeks at 80% of salary paid thru my insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not at all surprised that a female manager would be less understanding than a male.  1)  she&#8217;s bitter about her own situation and 2)  she doesn&#8217;t worry about being called sexist.</p>
<p>I do wonder where you come up with 3 months leave.  I just gave birth 3 months ago and have been back at work for 8 weeks now.  :)  We get 6 weeks, as do most short term disability firms.  The rest of the 3 months you can take UNPAID per FMLA.  At least, that&#8217;s how it works here.  So it&#8217;s not really like you&#8217;re getting 3 months of your salary.  I got 6 weeks at 80% of salary paid thru my insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trish - I WISH my wife made twice as much as me.  If she did, I&#039;d retire early and just chill :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trish &#8211; I WISH my wife made twice as much as me.  If she did, I&#8217;d retire early and just chill :)</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about most women but i make twice as much as my husband.
.-= Trish´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://vasectomycare.com/contact/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Contact Us&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about most women but i make twice as much as my husband.<br />
.-= Trish´s last blog ..<a href="http://vasectomycare.com/contact/" rel="nofollow">Contact Us</a> =-.</p>
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