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One of the downsides of hoarding cash is that it begins to burn a hole in your pocket after it exceeds a certain amount. When I was a kid, I remember it was always hard to save a $20 bill my grandmother gave me, so I spent it instantly on candy and coin-op video games. Since then, I’ve built up a tolerance against spending any cash under $50,000. I’ve seen too many missed opportunities and financial tragedies to not have a decent financial cushion.
My tolerance against spending is being tested with a 4X accumulation of what I’m used to because I don’t see many good investment opportunities. In fact, I expect real estate and equities to provide flat-to-negative returns over the next two years (will revisit my thesis at the end of 2016). Therefore, accumulating cash doesn’t feel like a bad investment.
I suspect many of you will be tempted to spend some of your extra money on wasteful things as well. It’s like going all day without eating and then denying yourself a freshly baked apple pie in order to continue starving yourself. Why punish yourself?!
Daydreaming Of How To Spend
I’ve thought of a number of things to do with my excess savings:
1) Pay down $180,000 of mortgage debt. Boring! But the responsible thing to do.
2) Buy a $195,000 Bentley Continental GT. Fun! But completely ludicrous for someone with only $200,000 saved. You’d need more like $2M in liquid cash to buy a $200,000 car.
3) Give $20,000 to my in-laws. Definitely a good thing to do, but I’m being met with resistance as they are too proud to accept financial help. I’ll figure out a way to give them some money through gift cards at places they shop.
4) Pay for a $20,000 – $30,000 around the world cruise for my parents who are happy with an inner cabin room. I want them to enjoy a room with a veranda so they can see and smell the ocean breeze. But my parents are also frugal and never seem to want any financial gifts from me. Maybe I should just give my editor dad a raise. Oh wait, that requires paying extra taxes. Forget that.
5) Build a 700 sqft extension to my house for $200,000, even though I’m perfectly happy living in ~1,910 sqft of space. The extension would add at least $400,000 in value, but it would be a stressful year long project. Always focus on expansion over remodeling if you want to create more value to your house.
6) Buy a more reasonable mid-life crisis 2011 Porsche 911 GTS for ~$65,000. Sounds like a good deal compared to a $195,000 Bentley Continental GT.
7) Continue saving for the winter of 2017/2018 when I anticipate the SF housing market will be weakest so I can have the option of buying another property. Real estate agents and buyers are currently in denial, saying, “Only the $3M+ housing market is soft, everything else is strong.” Hello. A downturn always starts with the top and works its way down.
8) Invest $200,000 in Wealthfront for retirement so I don’t have to think about what to do with the money. Automatically paying and investing yourself first is what everybody should do. You can at least get a free portfolio construction tailored to your risk tolerance without having to fund the account.
9) Do a combination of wise and wasteful spending.
It’s actually fun to think about all the things to do with excess cash. But it’s the idea of spending that gets me excited rather than the actual spending. After being frugal for so long, spending money actually kind of hurts. Please tell me some of you feel the same way!
Paying down debt might not be very exciting, but it’s the responsible thing to do. Whenever I buy or invest in anything, I always fear feeling like an idiot because the only way to lose money is by actually deploying it. You may lose to inflation, but that would be different from my recent experience of losing part of my investment because of a 50% decline in Twitter stock.
Controlling The Urge To Splurge
Building wealth is all about exercising good money habits. Discipline is key. For those of you with excess cash, want to accumulate more savings, or have a spending problem, here are some easy tips.
1) Calculate how much in gross income is needed to buy. To buy a $50,000 car takes about $75,000 in gross income at a 30% effective tax rate. At a 25% effective tax rate, it requires $2000 in gross income to purchase the newest $1,500 TV. Take whatever you want to buy and multiply it by 1.5X to see how much it really costs before tax. Suddenly, what you want to buy doesn’t seem as affordable.
2) Calculate how many hours of work it takes for you to buy. This is where being a freelancer is advantageous because we are generally more cognizant about the relationship between our time and income. To buy a $65,000 second-hand Porsche 911 GTS will take me 2,600 hours driving for Uber at $25/hour after operating expenses. Let’s say I drive for 40 hours a week, it would take me one year and three months. But wait, I still need to pay taxes on my $25/hour, so it will really take me more like 1.8 years of driving to just purchase the car. Calculating required labor is one of the best ways to restrain spending.
3) Automatically pay yourself first. So long as you are maxing out your 401k and saving a certain percentage of your after tax income before spending a penny, you’ve basically got carte blanche to spend however you like with your remaining money. One goal I had for 13 years was to max out my 401k and then save 100% of every other pay check and 100% of my year end bonus. Since I was paid twice a month, I ensured an easy way to save at least 50% of my after tax income every year. After the first year, living off one paycheck became just a way of life. Given it became easy, I pushed myself to save even more.
4) Compare yourself to different people. Appreciate what you have and recognize how fortunate you are compared to the billions of people who weren’t born in a developed country. Making more than $35,000 a year puts you in the top 1% of global income earners. According to the United Nations world food program, some 795 million people in the world do not have enough food to lead a healthy active life. As soon as I moved to a less expensive neighborhood in 2014, I felt much happier because there was less ostentatious wealth.
Alternatively, you can try and really motivate yourself by comparing your career or wealth to other people your age who are doing better and have more. Tell yourself, “Only until I get that promotion or reach a certain amount of net worth will I buy XYZ.” Here’s a good net worth guideline by age to shoot for.
5) Establish a goal that must be achieved before spending a penny. I’ve always told people who object to my 1/10th rule for car buying, “If you want to buy a $30,000 car, why not just try and make $300,000 first?” Then they get pissed off for some reason. By tethering your desires, you force yourself to achieve certain financial goals before wasting money. You might just find that after spending all that time earning or pursuing a goal, you’ll lose your desire to splurge! I’ve already created a mid-life crisis investment fund for a fancy car that I doubt I’ll buy. You can create other goals like losing a certain amount of weight or finding a life partner before splurging.
6) Visualize the opportunity cost of your purchase. If the total return (principal appreciation + dividends) of the S&P 500 averages 7.2% a year for the next 10 years, you will have doubled any money you invest today in the index. Therefore, the $10,000 vacation or $65,000 luxury car you buy today might be worth $20,000 and $130,000, respectively in the future. Thinking about opportunity cost is the hardest way to prevent spending, because what you give up is so far in the future. Therefore, you should run your finances through a retirement calculator so you can visualize whether you are on track or have a ways to go. You should input different future expense and income variables to see what works.
Your projected income must be equal or higher than your desired income
Save, Invest, Spend
The reason I love simple financial guidelines is because it cuts through all the noise and gives people targets to shoot for. If you follow my 1/10th rule for car buying, I believe there is a high chance your finances will never be derailed by your vehicle. If you can amass a net worth equal to 20X your average gross income, I’m pretty sure you will experience financial freedom and never have to work again.
If you’re finding it hard to resist spending your excess cash, couple your good money decisions with your bad money decisions. Always be mindful of Financial Yin Yang.
Updated for 2019 and beyond.
Sam, how does charity factor into your financial picture? I don’t levy it as a criticism but rather a consideration. I made the commitment this year to set aside $50/month to donate to a different charity, and it’s a nice feeling to be able to give a little (although I do use the Charity Navigator website to check the institution’s financials before donating). $50 is only about 1.5% of my budget, but I feel that the money is better spent than the little extra I could gain spending it on myself.
Thanks for asking! It gives me an excuse to plug my book, The Best Of Financial Samurai, a 180 page book that will help anybody who reads it get into much better financial shape. All proceeds are donated to charity, which currently amount to roughly $500 a month or $6,000 a year. From the consumer’s perspective, what’s better than improving one’s financial health, being able to donate more to charity as a result, and have your proceeds from the book go to charity immediately!
I spend about 20 – 30 hours a week, every week since 2009 writing free posts on Financial Samurai that tries to entertain, educate, and help people reach their financial goals. I’ve thought about throwing up a paywall like many other publications, but I don’t want to restrict my content to only people who can afford it. Being able to donate your time is one of the key benefits of achieving financial freedom sooner, rather than later.
I’ve also thought about quitting before, or at least taking a break because it is sometimes VERY HARD to have the discipline to keep on going when readers are throwing eggs at you or demanding you do XYZ when they don’t pay for anything. But I’ve endured through! If you don’t have much to give, try starting a blog to impart some helpful advise. I can be your blogging buddy and push you to stay on schedule as you push me. It’s a pretty fun experience, where you could potentially make a livable income stream as well.
I’m a big supporter of our libraries, because that is where I spent a lot of my time as a kid doing research and homework. All people should have access to information. Anything can now be learned at the library. It just takes some curiosity to search for what you’re looking for. If all ~$50,000 in yearly property taxes I pay goes to the library, I would be extremely happy and probably want to pay more!
I’m also a supporter of Goodwill, The Salvation Army, The Conquer Cancer Foundation, Children International, and UNICEF. I don’t talk about my donations b/c I feel they are private matters. But maybe I can raise awareness? Do you think I should or will that annoy people? I don’t like it when people push their charities or charitable initiatives onto others. Everybody should have the power to decide how they want to donate their time and money.
Donating $50/month is a great start! Like savings, try increasing it every month a couple percent until it hurts. After a while, it will no longer hurt, and that is when you can try to increase it some more. Try shooting for 10% of your budget from 1.5% currently. The most fun is trying to create a Passive Income Engine For Charity. Spend some time to create a product, and put it up online that can earn income passive for a cause you like.
Here are some relevant posts:
The Percentage Of Income Donated To Charity Can Improve
Is Paying Taxes A Form Of Charity?
Is Not Wanting To Be Rich Selfish?
Thanks for sharing. I don’t think that you need to plug the charities you currently support, but it might be worth revisiting the nature of giving (how one researches and decides which charities to support) and the percentage of your income that could or should go to it. I’ve heard the 10% figure as a standard rule of thumb, but I’ll check out the posts you linked to see your thoughts in more detail.
One of my favorite football blogs talks about all things Michigan, and it operates without a paywall like your site. Its creator definitely monetizes the brand in any way that he can, but it’s clear that the grab is the depth of content published without asking for money. I think you run a great site and I really enjoy your posts, so my question was more to the consideration of the other possible purposes that $200K could be put to rather than those listed. I would never suggest you donate it all, but it might be a joy to find a local organization, or else fund a scholarship with a portion of that cash.
Sounds good and definitely a good idea. I actually do have a education scholarship fund in the works. Would you be interested in contributing?
I hope this email exchange will encourage you to donate more of your time and money. I don’t like telling people how and what to donate to, but I think this is a good opportunity to ask you to raise your monthly amount. $50/month is a good start. If you can afford another $50 more a month, I’d love to get your support!
What are your thoughts on how much someone should give of their income and wealth? I’ve got a new post coming up.
Thanks
Sam, I think it would be a great concept to try and crowdfund a scholarship opportunity through the site: you might be surprised at the generosity of your reader base if the cause was right (and especially if some of the qualifying criteria for a scholarship meshed with your general messages here).
I was pondering on amounts today, and was reminded of the rich man parable from the FX series on Fargo. The man gives everything of himself to try and end poverty, but there’s still suffering. The speaker implies it as a wasted or destructive effort, but his listener says ‘but you still have to try, right?’ I think 10% is very noble and achievable, but it isn’t for everyone. Instead, a general rule should be to give deliberately and continually, in the same way we save and set budgets.
I revisit my budget every fall when my new contract year starts, and am planning to expand my giving then. But let me know if and when your scholarship fund is created, and I’ll give a little extra seed money to get it going.
One good idea I recently read is to start small and slowly increase one’s giving percentage every year. This allows you to adjust to the higher levels of giving and to grow in one’s commitment to the cause being supported!
Those are some nice gifts to the in-laws and parents you’re considering!
I’ve noticed myself start to loosen the purse strings a bit this year as my wife and I just entered the two comma club. It’s an unnatural feeling for me since I’ve been so frugal in the past, but I feel we should start enjoying a few more luxuries in life. Nothing too crazy like a $65k Porsche though!
We are starting to experience a bit of lifestyle inflation which can be a slippery slope. We do track our expenses closely though so we’ll keep monitoring it.
Thanks for the post!
The Green Swan
It’s really tough to figure out what to do with that extra 200k in cash that always seems to be laying around. Fun post, albeit a bit unrelatable
Take whatever your cash burn limit is and multiply it by 4X to relate. It’s not the amount that matters because everybody is different. Don’t focus on the number, as that will make you miss the forest.
The strategies for boosting savings and controlling spending can help anybody.
I can honestly say this is a problem I’ve never had, although I hope to have it someday. I’ve only been actively saving money outside of employer-mandated retirement accounts for less than a year, so the balances have yet to build up much. I also have a low income ($32k/year) and am the main breadwinner of a 2-person house with a net worth of somewhere around -$81k – so no, I do not have this problem. :)
I really like the idea of your 1/10 car buying rule, but by that logic, I’d be able to afford something in between a peanut and a skateboard right now.
If it sounds like I am complaining, please recognize: I am not making excuses. I am recognizing the reality of my situation. Only when one can do this, can they begin to change. And that’s what I aim to do. :)
The ideal life for me looks a lot like a roller coaster:
1. You spend the beginning portion of your life grinding, hustling, learning, saving, and investing. This is perfectly analogic to the slow, initial climb.
2. The rest of your life plays out through all of the ups and downs and you eventually end up where you started: broke and naked.
Although I can’t imagine myself ever spending more than $15k on a car or around the median price of a home in any city regardless of my net worth, I also recognize how pointless it is to focus on money for the sake of money when one already has way more than they need to live the lifestyle they want. However, I can’t think past this mentality because it’s my personality.
I also don’t believe there’s such a thing as “retirement”, and all personalities will continue to work in some capacity no matter what. Hence, I don’t think there’s a huge difference in being rich or poor. Most rich never actually use their money beyond achieving freedom unless they’re multi-billionaires and give sizable amounts to charity, while most poor will always be guaranteed to be working, but are always using their money! So personality A values freedom and security more than personality B, but they both end up in the same place: working anyway.
I definitely fall into personality A and definitely see it as a trap as I’m unwilling to learn from personality B. The same is true in reverse. It has nothing to do with intelligence because plenty of intelligent people are broke or have went broke and plenty of dumb people are rich and remain rich. You don’t have to look past mainstream media to know who I’m talking about! ;)
While I don’t agree with Trump or really any of the crap he spews, he’s not dumb, at all. He’s very intelligent with calculated moves.
Also, having money, without a doubt, provides a better lifestyle and state of happiness. I’ve been both-when I started my career my wife and I scraped by hustling with sweat and tears. Now we have several million post-tax in our brokerage account and life is MUCH better. So, don’t lie to yourself. Once you actually have money you’ll be in a position to make such a bold statement that there isn’t much difference. There is. period.
Don’t make excuses or rationalize. You’re missing out.
I feel like you didn’t read or understand what I was saying.
But regardless, on intelligence and presidency: you don’t have to be intelligent to gain a large following in the United States: a combination of fear and hate goes a long way. I am not going to argue whether Trump is truly intelligent or not, because it’s irrelevant. I just know he would make a terrible president, and he’s certainly not gaining a following based on his sound reasoning and above-average ideas.
Quit with the mid-life crisis car jokes. Many people would buy a Porsche (or similar) when they were younger if they could. It is just the case that most can’t afford to even consider it until they are in their 40’s. If you are really going to enjoy it and not simply run on the hedonic treadmill, then get the car. Keep the Fit for tooling around town and then make driving the 911 an occasional event. Join PCA and take it to the track. If you don’t need the back seat, consider the new Cayman or Boxster. Both are excellent.
At some point, you have to enjoy your life and I fully admit that “things” often don’t translate into joy, but if you’re a car guy, then they just might. I think you’ll enjoy the 911 far more than a Bentley too.
Ditto
Ditto +1
I recently read a book “Happy Money”. They say ‘Money can’t buy happiness, but you can spend it in ways to allow you more time to do things that make you happy.’ A new car will only bring you happiness for a short time, after that you’ll take it for granted.
I’m retired and I’ve determined that I’ll be leaving my kids more than enough. I’m going to squander some of it on new wheels, even though I know that ‘happiness’ is short lived.
I was much too practical in my youth.
I believe that when you give something, in this case money, to someone because you feel they need it, or they ask for it from you, there are always real or imagined strings attached. I applaud your in-laws for resisting your generous spirit. Now if you give these gifts for Christmas, birthdays, etc., it works. No strings unless the gift is huge. Been there, done that, relationships change.
The graphic is superb and your post is just the reminder I need because I have been itching to spend some cash now after such a long, long savings journey. Thank you for the much needed pause :)
seems like u really want a car – buy one and live life a bit
if i had close to 5 millions, i would buy any car i wanted specially making passive amounts like you are sam…
you will never be 38 39 or 40 again.. why would you want a supercar at 65 when you can actually enjoy it now for the next 30 years … if you can over afford it. heck you can buy three not one. ( i wouldnt but, you get the idea)
and thanks for the idea(28 yr old), i will try saving $500 every month for my dream car… i dont know yet maybe a used lambo in 10 years. i already told my wife and she wasnt okey since she thinks i would be looking for young girls in a nice car. but, i guess every women think the same if their husband was getting a sports car.
Check out this post for more insight: Once You Have FU Money, It’s Hard To Tell Anybody To F Off!
It’s a nice predicament to be in with more than enough cash on hand. I often land up in a similar situation when a deposit matures. Do I reinvest it for another year or shift the money into equities or other avenues? Splurging is not an option.
We didn’t have an urge to spend when we began traveling the world, but do feel some pain from spending without earning. I guess that’s something every retiree is faced with. This experience will be worth it for us personally, and maybe we’ll find our future home abroad. We wouldn’t trade this opportunity for anything, but it sure would be easier to enjoy with a steady paycheck coming in.
I have this exact same issue right now, but I only have a lazy $150k. Just recently sold a condo, and the plan was to invest in another property. But the markets are just crazy right now, I am struggling to find anything worth investing in.
When it comes to controlling spending, I like to value everything in terms of retirement years. Roll the funds forwards 10 years, and calculate how many months it will knock off my retirement age. Am I really prepared to work an extra year for that BMW today?
I love the comment about “If you want to buy a $30,000 car, why not just try and make $300,000 first?”. I have never felt I had a spending problem, just an earning problem which is easily fixed by side hustling. If you can’t afford something, just work a little harder. Unless you suffer from a physical/mental disability, then there is always some opportunity to make a little extra money to pay for whatever you want.
I really like when you add charts with different guidelines for different ages.
My favorite way to judge my progress is to set up tabs on my big Excel doc that show me my earnings/net worth at different ages and to compare it with those that you and other FI bloggers post.
It keeps me motivated and shows me where I am and where I want to be.
Having a few paid for real estate properties is still a long while away for me as I try to save a down payment for a first house. Having said that, I’d pay off the mortgage. Carrying around mortgage debt is a liability, like carrying a bullseye around waiting to get shot at.
I don’t disagree that both the stock market and real estate markets appear to have more downside than upside. We do seem ripe for a correction.
With that said, what would be a good investment opportunity?
I’m looking at a mezzanine debt deal paying 10% backed with 7 to 10 new specialty commercial properties. Developer/operator has significant experience in the space.
Assuming you won’t need the cash for 5 to 10 years, it seems like a better use of funds than paying down 4% mortgage debt – or buying a Bentley.
Interesting thoughts – I too think real estate and stocks are well valued and have more downside the upside. I am testing realty shares – they seem to have similar rates with shorter terms. However, with the chaos at lending club maybe these models are tested well enough yet.
I can’t get myself to speed up the real estate debt repayments – locking in a couple points over five or ten years seems like a failure. There must be something more profitable to do with it.
Converting the cost to hours is my favorite one, I used to pull that out on the other construction workers when they spent $20 at the gas station ever morning on cigarattes and energy drinks.
Both my wife and I have some frugal DNA. That is good. We do have more cash than we would need to have. Paying back a part of the mortgage is one plan we have. Investing is another. OR spending it on finishing the garden… I am less fan of that. I want to save for that via our monthly contribution to the life happens fund.
I did some math on a rental, but it would need to much down payment to be cash flow positive…
We now have a first world luxury problem ongoing! can’t complain…
This is the first time in my life I have even had “extra” money but I really don’t cause I’m working on paying down debt. I love to think about the things I could do if I wasn’t in debt, like invest or go on vacation or whatever. Great article.
I resist spending urges by giving myself permission to buy at a later date IF I still want the object of my desire as much as I do in the moment I first want it. If I see a shirt or necklace that I like and still want it just as much in 2 weeks, it’s mine. If I still want the car in 6 months, it’s mine. Etc etc. Needless to say, almost nothing ever gets purchased after the “cooling off period.” But if I still want it just as much or even more as time passes, then I know it’s truly a deep desire and will really make me happy and isn’t just a passing fancy. My most recent “big financial commitment” was adopting a dog 11 months ago … after wanting to adopt for over a year.
And though you did not ask for your reader’s opinions, I’d vote for paying down the mortgage debt for you.
Creating a later date buy date is a great strategy. So often, our desire fades if we wait long enough. Sometimes it’s tricky with motor vehicles via private party though. For rarer vehicles in high demand, it’s sometimes necessary to make a decision more quickly. That said, there’s always enough supply if you look hard enough.
+1
I avoided buying lots of junk following that technique!
Why not do a bit of everything, but only 1 car. Wise and fun. It’s your money Sam, what do you WANT to do?
Tristan
Hi Sam,
Thanks for this post. It really got me thinking. I resonate with your remark where you mentioned that once you became more mindful of your saving and spending habits that it hurts to spend – this is true more so in the last two years…I kinda don’t like the feeling.
What helps me stop spending money mindlessly is thinking of it from a value for money perspective. If I purchase a jacket, I think how much use I’m going to get out of it. My five hundred dollar jacket has lasted four years wearing it daily for four months of the year. That works out to a dollar a day and will become less with time. Or if I contemplate another car, I figure out how much driving I’ll actually do and work out the cost per trip. With this approach, That’s how I justified my last expensive purse purchase by telling my hubby that I haven’t bought one in ten years and the use I’ll get with the new one is many many years :)
Here are a few more spending ideas that does some good: some going to a charity, taking a worldly travel sabbatical, scholarship, spending money on a couple of expensive trainers with a personal chef to get you super duper fit!
I think investing the money is the most sound of all the options especially biding your time like a spider, lying in wait for the unsuspecting housing market. Gifting people money seems a wonderful idea that is until you see them spend it. Unless of course you are one of those rare souls that can let them spend the money and not pass judgement or feel remorse as you watch them buy frivolous items like cellphones and clothing instead of paying for education and utility bills (but then that’s not your parents or in-laws current problems).
As for the cars, I think you should follow your full throttle “male” instinct if that’s the option you choose.
Having grown up in a house that is STILL a building project, I would say an emphatic NO! Just spare yourself the punishment and torture. However, you could burn some money by “greening” your house. One day, when I make it, I want a solar geyser, to be independent of the municipal grid (running on solar), a jo-jo tank to harvest rainwater and my own composter (worms away!) and bee hive (the see-through one with the tap I saw on crowdfunder :D ).
I like the ideas for controlling the urge to splurge. Admittedly I’ve only thought about and follow number two. It’s been my biggest motivator. Before I spend, I think of how many hours I have to spend in a hostile environment just to make that money. It’s reined in my spending habits and made me aim for more.
I’m on track to save about 30k a year for loans/saving. After working for 6 months straight out of college and paid 10k student loans already, I still don’t feel uncomfortable to shell out 1.5k for a new gaming computer (which should last 5+ years and i do game a lot as a cheap hobby). Although I have set aside 5k for vacation/fun spending this year, it’s the fact that i see no to little return (except for relaxation) in this investment that drives me kinda nut. Seeing how my friends who makes less and spend a lot more (after 4 years of bachelor), i wonder how people can really do that. However, one can argue that 100k in salary (total) isn’t much for a single person in the san jose/south bay area. I don’t feel richer since I graduated college (scrapping on 20k total a year in LA). I guess the only thing I really spend on so far is decent food, which is due to the fact that I eat outside for the most part (work pretty long hours). At least, I have that going on for me.
Currently, I’m renting a room for $550 and live like i did during the college days. I hope with good investments and wise spending, i will be able to afford a house before my 30 in silicon valley.
Living like you did during college for as long as possible is a good strategy. I lived in a studio w/ my buddy for two years in Manhattan. I figured, why not save money b/c I was working to much to enjoy my place!
Keep your frugal habit for as long as possible. You won’t regret it.
Hi Sam,
Your posts have been quite helpful for me. As a 23 years old male, I think we all have that clock ticking on top of our head. We may as well spend our money wisely, and stop wasting our seconds and energy to get that money back. Now that I’ve followed the site for a while, I approach everything with an investment mentality. I ask myself (aside from under 15 dollars meals) what does this investment give me back in return.
I may as well continue to burnout my 1997 infinity car (lend, not even mine), and invest in a decent, passable car for uber on the weekend on top of the current salary for the future. It should be a great way to improve my people and social skills :)
Still in college so I do not have these kind of savings but I resist spending as I have been putting a lot of my money into stocks. I have an emergency fund and about 10% of my portfolio sitting in cash for two reasons: I am about to enter the working world and need some extra cash and secondly in case the market suddenly pulls back I want to dive right in so I do not miss out on the gains.
Suggestions on where should I be putting my non-deductible traditional IRA money in the near future if REIT isn’t looking so hot?
Sam,
I recently signed up with Prosper and am trying P2P lending. I am avoiding the AA A and HR investments. Any pointers/strategies that you look at with P2P? I wonder if Lending Club might be a better option long term because they seem to have a larger user base and a larger investment base to work with.
Funny you should mention LC, their stock is down 40%+ this week (!) as their CEO stepped down due to some impropriety. I would hold off on investing with LC for now if you insist on going with LC.
Thank you for the head’s up! Luckily, I didn’t choose LC, so maybe I dodged a bullet there.
I bought shares in the IPO. Not my finest move.
I’m looking to get into Prosper. Why are you avoiding those types of notes? Isn’t A and AA the safest.
Sam,
If you want to spend some money on a depreciating asset, I’ll give you some individual stock picks. All of mine tend to lose value over time!
Thanks, Bill
LoL!
Right on! I’m right there with you blowing myself recently on some picks. How about them Apple stock at a two year low!
The best thing everybody can focus on is asset allocation in index etfs, while spending their energy earning through their job or entrepreneurial activity.
Definitely a #2 here – when you spend so much time at work, it’s easier to relate the cost of a purchase to the number of hours, or days, required to pay for it. When you’re trading a finite quantity like time for something of potentially limited usefulness, it casts the trade off in a very clear light.
I guess it all depends on what you want to do in your life. I am a business analyst, and I always deal with requirements. And that is the toughest part to do in a project.
If it were me, and I have 200K to deploy, I would drop it in VTSAX straight cash. But that is what I want to do.
Thank you for all that you do. Much respect.
I like your conviction in VTSAX! Sadly, I’m not looking for more equity exposure now. I’m looking for less debt and more cash. I truly hope the markets continue to go up. I just see various crumbling sin the foundation.
You suggest the SFR market will decline…what are your thoughts about the multi-family residential market.
While my number isn’t nearly as large as yours, hack off a zero, I’m currently in the same predicament. A house we were looking at fell through, and we’re no longer in the real estate market right now. I’m no where near financial security at this point, so I will be prudent and put some money into P2P Lending and some into paying off debt. I’ll leave the rest of it available in case something enticing comes along.
If I were you though, and in your financial situation, I would say let loose! Buy that Porsche. You’ve mentioned wanting one in three or four articles over almost six months! But if you’re still not keen on the market, why not buy a few option spreads? You think your portfolio is going to decrease, so write some calls or buy some puts. If the market goes up, your portfolio does too and you eat the option fees. If it goes down, you offset some of your total losses.
2017/2018 is coming up soon! With how long it takes to reach the bottom, we would likely need to see something get started in the short term. A crashing economy doesn’t look good for democrats, which means Trump gets elected. Then who knows what will happen to the world….
I have this disease right now of always imagining the opportunity cost of everything I buy. I actually sit there and do the math. Its kind of scary. I totally agree about charity. Here is my advice. Save 50% for the Real Estate opportunity, spend 5% on eating out, give 20% to charity (you will never regret it), invest 15% into a new money-making passive-income idea, invest 10% in the stock market. Don’t pay down any debt yet – that is truly boring! Interesting article as always.
I have the same disease!!! If I can invest in this business upgrade and get a 25% ROI half the time it’s a no brainier. The $50k I would spend on a car would be a waste compared to that. – The curse of seeing high ROI’s
I control my spending by being too busy to spend it right now. I wonder what I will spend like when I am not working as much. Hopefully I will remember all the ridiculous time I put in to achieve financial freedom, and show respect to the work I did.
Tethering, opportunity cost, and comparison are my go-to techniques for controlling my urges to spend. Typically, tethering helps me to avoid the splurge, as even when I have reached the associated goal, I no longer feel that I NEED the related purchase. Sometimes I wonder if it is all a psychological game I play in my own mind in order to remain motivated.
At the end of the day, I continue to believe that success in personal finance is behavior-driven. Maintaining sufficient checks, as you outlined, to encourage wise behavior is the ticket to winning.
Currently, eliminating my graduate school student loan debt is my primary tether. I don’t have plans to let myself go crazy when it is paid for at the end of May 2016, but I would like to live a little. I am afraid that I will experience spending guilt when that time comes, as I have lived somewhat frugally for the past several years.
Agree with the pessimistic outlook on stocks, but real estate always has promise depending on the area. I have some cash burning a hole and am aiming to buy a place purely to rent it out on Airbnb. With mortgage interest tax benefits, it should yield 15-20 pct, but I do live in a city with lots of business and tourist demand (which also means high purchase prices). Fortunately, I am in no way tempted to buy a Porsche. And I live in one of those states where P2P is banned, which is a bummer.
Excellent points.
Whenever I’ve extra money (I’ve always extra cash) and pass by some car dealership or I see the latest mobile phone, I feel the urge to buy.
Here comes my second thought, it’s a kind of defence mechanism build in my brain.
Do I need that shiny new car or cell phone?
I start to elaborate, for a car my thoughts go along these lines:
– How much cost in insurance?
– Petrol cost (usually nice cars have big engine)
– Cleaning costs (you want to show off your nice car well polished, isn’t it?)
– Parking problems (nice cars are big and difficult to park if you live in the city)
– What I need a new car for (here I think like you Sam, going from A to B… any car can do the job).
Instead of thinking:
– I can show off
– I’m succesfull and I’m going to show the world
– I feel proud
– My neighbour will envy me
Nothing make me more excited than investing the extra cash and see my little soldiers work hard for me… The more they work, the less I work…
Forget all the materalistic things in this world, we don’t need them.
Don’t take my word for it, instead go for an holiday in the Asia’s countryside where farmer are living an happy life with a modest income but are very happy.
I started with a pre owned Jetta, then bought a new CRV, just got a new RWD BMW 228i a few months ago. The drive is worth every penny. It’s not that expensive either, 34K. It’s like flying economy vs first class every single day. My colleague bought an M5, 0-60 is 3.6 secs, costs 120K. He brags about it every day, I just enjoy my drive, 0-60 in 4.9 secs!
unless you just started to make 50kk, ehich you probably started from the bottom, you could afford pretty much any car. if not why?
how does your colleague is bragging about a 120k car? when most of you probably earn about the same?
anyways what line of work you do to make 500k a year? i have to step my game up, i was thinking about 500k almost for 2 weeks now. i think is doable in 2 years for me.
I make 500K+ a year, my wife just got a job and will be making 60K + benefits.
Plan: Invest all my income, max out her 401K, and live(survive) off the rest for the next 3 years.
Goal: Save a million dollars in 3 years.
My wife just stares at me when I tell her my idea, she thinks I’m insane but she is a saint though, she is with me on this. It will be extremely difficult as she will only be making 19000 after taxes and maxing out her 401k.
how old are you and line of work?
I usually try to have 4-5 yrs in expenses in a mixture of cash and munis. Beyond that, if you find nothing, real estate is always a decent way to go. Not on the coasts, midwest, south, etc, places with commercial leases yielding 6-8% for decades. Buy, put a small amount of leverage on it if you want, and earn. Usually it is best with at least $500k or so invested, but that is a goal!
I have been saving about 40% of my after tax income for about 4-5 years now (usually adding up to about $60k-$70k give or take at the end of each year). At this point, I actually get more excited thinking about what kind of asset I am going to buy over what kind of toy I could buy. As much as I love luxuries, I couldn’t stand the thought of buying a brand new Bentley and just watching the value just get utterly crushed year after year. I would much rather buy a nice piece of cash flow real estate, watch it appreciate over the next 10-15 years, then pull out some equity through a refi and buy another piece of cash flow real estate. The thought of pyramiding my wealth gets me so much more excited than 1 single toy I could buy today. At some point, I imagine I will be bringing in enough income each year that a $195k Bentley will barely make a dent in my income… At that point you can expect me to have a variety of high priced automobiles ;)
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I can’t understand half of what you’re saying Sam, but I’m about to read every article on your site, religiously. For a broke dude from an inner city this is nothing but motivation when I make more multiple streams of income, buy my dream house and save $100,000 from the goose egg of today. I will credit that to you. Salute brother!
Thanks Manny! May your financial journey be a fortuitous and prosperous one. It’s always nice to have new readers on Financial Samurai. It’s been a fun and long road since I first started the site in 2009 during the crisis.
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Please, I give credit when’s it due! Thank you sam, I hope the same for me and your future endeavors also, PS what a read, I’m printing out your abdunance post. Sorry not sorry haha . Take care my friend.
I’m having a big issue resisting the splurge.
I already have all the luxury items I want (nice clothes, nice camera, nice cooking gear, shop at whole foods/farmers market, etc)
I am maxing 401k
I am saving 20% after tax
I have good equity in my home in a good area.
Not sure what to do with all these savings. We don’t plan on having any children, I’m sure I could retire early, but as I have read in one of your earlier posts, it’s no fun when the rest of your friends are working.
I feel a hole burning in my pocket with all the extra cash. I need to resist the urge to do something sporadic like buy a vacation house.