The Average Net Worth For The Above Average Person

The average net worth for the above average person is largeEverything is relative when it comes to money.  If we all earn $1 million dollars a year and have $5 million in the bank at the age of 40, none of us are very wealthy given all our costs (housing, food, transportation, vacations) will be priced at levels that squeeze us to the very end.  As such, we must first get an idea of what the real average net worth is in our respective countries, and then figure out the average net worth of the above average person!

According to CNN Money 2014, the average net worth for the following ages are: $9,000 for ages 25-34,  $52,000 for ages 35-44, $100,000 for ages 45-54, $180,000 for ages 55-64, and $232,000+ for 65+. Seems very low, but that’s because we use averages and a large age range.

After a 13% rise in the S&P 500 in 2014, surely the average net worth has increased even further for 2015.

The Above Average Person is loosely defined as:

1) Someone who went to college and believes grades and a good work ethic do matter.

2) Does not irrationally spend more than they make.

3) Saves for the future because they realize at some point they no longer are willing or able to work.

4) Takes responsibility for their own actions when things go wrong and learns from the situation to make things better.

5) Takes action by leveraging free tools on the internet to track their net worth, minimize investment fees, manage their budget, and stay on top of their finances in general. Once you know where all your money is, it becomes much easier to optimize your wealth and make it grow.

6) Welcomes constructive criticism and is not overly sensitive from friends, loved ones, and strangers in order to keep improving. Keeping an open mind is critical.

7) Has a healthy amount of self-esteem to be able to lead change and believe in themselves.

8) Enjoys empowering themselves through learning, whether it be through books, personal finance blogs, magazines, seminars, continuing education and so forth.

9) Has little-to-no student loan debt due to scholarships, part-time work, or help from their parents. Our parents have saved and invested through the largest bull market in history. It’s understandable that parents want to help their children out.

Now that we have a rough definition of what “above average” means, we can take a look at the tables I’ve constructed based on the tens of thousands of past comments by you and posts I’ve written to highlight the average net worth of the above average person.


First, we must highlight what the average tax-deferred retirement savings plan is for those in America. We’ll focus on the simple 401K system we have here where one can contribute $18,000 of their pre-tax income every year in 2015 (was $17,500 in 2014).

This chart can be used as a rough estimate for those with the RRSP plan in Canada, and retirement plans in Europe and Australia as well. In fact, any country that has any sort of tax-deferred retirement plan and social safety net program for retirement that has a GDP/capita of $30,000 or more can use the below chart as an aspirational guide. Remember, we are talking about the “above average person.”


401k Savings By Age Potential

The assumption here is that the above average person is able to start maxing out their tax-deferred retirement plan every year after the second full year of work, and continue on without fail until 65.  The low and high end account for 0% to a relatively conservative 5% constant rate of return.  Of course you can lose money and make much more if you are good and lucky.

This chart does not take into consideration any after-tax savings post 401K contribution. To understand what the average after-tax savings rate is post tax-deferred retirement contribution is a gargantuan task because there are too many assumptions that are debatable eg. income and after-tax savings rate post maximum pre-tax retirement contributions. That said, I’ll offer a base case guide anyway.


Financial Samurai Post Tax Savings Guide Chart

The above chart assumes on the low end that one saves about $5,000 a year in after-tax income and around $10,000-$15,000 a year in after-tax income on the high-end after maxing out their tax-deferred retirement vehicle. I’ve tried to keep things as simple as possible, assuming no inflation and no investment returns. I also believe saving $5,000-$15,000 a year in after-tax income is very realistic for the above average person, and probably very easy for many who earn more than $85,000 per person. Finally, the chart should show you the power of consistency.


A 2010 study showed that the average net worth of a homeowner is roughly $200,000, or 40X greater than the average renter’s net worth of $5,000. We can debate the merits of this study (done by a real estate association of course) all day long (demographic sampling, housing price changes, etc), but the point is, “above average” people generally all own homes and are wealthier, be it 2X wealthier or 40X wealthier than the average renter.

The return on rent is always -100%. You get a place to live and that’s that. There is never a positive return on an asset after a month, or 30 years of renting. A renter cannot pass on her paid off house to her kids or grandchildren. There is no asset accumulation at all.  There is a reason why some 97% of millionaires are property owners.

The value of real estate varies across all the land and the world. It is very hard to make an assumption of what should be inputted as a result. According to the US Census bureau, the median home price in America is $221,800 while the average home price is $272,900. You can’t get anything livable in San Francisco, New York City, Los Angeles, and maybe even Washington DC and Boston for $250,000. But, you sure can in the mid west for $250,000.

Hence, let’s construct an equity value chart of something based on a range of $250,000-$500,000, with the assumption that upon retirement, you have your house paid off and can attribute this amount into your net worth, or the capitalized value of all rents you would pay if you did not own.


Financial Samurai Home Equity Accumulation Guide Chart

I assume that the above average person buys a $250,000-$500,000 piece of property at 27. By the time they turn 28, they will have owned the property for 1 year and have paid down $3,500-$7,500 in principal on a $250,000-$400,000 loan. I conservatively assume a $250,000 no money down loan for the low end house, even though after 5 years of working, the low-end above average person should have around $25,000-$30,000 saved up in cash based on the after-tax savings charts above.

By the time a 27 year old pays off his or her mortgage in 30 years, s/he will be 57 years old with a place to live rent from for the rest of his/her life. That is the true value of the property, the rent saved for the remainder of the owner’s life. It can be calculated as the present value of those future rental payments, or simply the market value of the home. I assume zero price appreciation on the home to keep things conservative and no extra payments to accelerate the payoff either.

Home prices have historically returned just a bit above inflation every year e.g. 2-3%. But given the above average person puts down about 20%, the 2-3% returns suddenly turns into a 10%-15% cash-on-cash per year. 10-15% compares favorably to the average S&P 500 return of roughly 8%. Add on the tax benefits for mortgage interest deduction and owning a home through a mortgage becomes very beneficial for higher income earners.


So far, we’ve touched upon pre-tax savings, after-tax savings, investment returns of 0 for those savings to remain conservative, and real estate. You need to spend less than you earn for that inevitable day you no longer have an income. You also need to live somewhere, hence, you should own your property if you know you will be there for much longer than 5-10 years.

There’s something missing in all of this, and that something is what I call the X Factor. Above average people seem to always be thinking of new ways to build wealth.  There is an optimism about them that no matter what happens, they can always find ways to make more money. It’s hard to quantify what that X Factor is for the average above average person, but it’s there somehow through music, writing, athletics, communication, entrepreneurship, hustling, and so much more.

The great thing about savings and real estate is that the process is highly automatic.  If you implement the plan and wake up 10 years later, you will inevitably be worth much more provided you keep your job and your home.  Given savings and building equity in your home over the next several decades is largely automatic, the X Factor comes out because you have so much more free time to do something else!


I have gone ahead and averaged the averages for pre-tax savings, post-tax savings, and real estate equity progress in the spreadsheet below. The pre and post tax savings can be invested however you see fit and is a topic of another post. Another thing to note is taxation, given pre-tax savings have to eventually be withdrawn and taxed. Again, these are rough estimates to give you an idea of the average net worth of the above average person.

The Average Net Worth For The Above Average Person by Financial Samurai

There you have it! Based on my assumptions above, the average net worth of the above average 30 year old is around $250,000. By the time this person is 40, his/her net worth should climb to around $660,000 and all the way up to around $2,180,000 million by the age of 60.

The key is to stay disciplined with your savings and investing routine. With a proper asset or net worth allocation, you’ll be amazed at how far your net worth will grow over time.

Of course some of you above average Financial Samurai readers will have a total net worth much higher than the chart. But then, I’d have to write another post entitled, “The Average Net Worth Of Financial Rockstars!”

Recommended Actions For Increasing Your Net Worth

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Completely updated 1/27/2015.



Sam started Financial Samurai in 2009 during the depths of the financial crisis as a way to make sense of chaos. After 13 years working on Wall Street, Sam decided to retire in 2012 to utilize everything he learned in business school to focus on online entrepreneurship.

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  1. Tony Kim says


    I’m 29.5 years of age. I’ve been working for 6 years. My parents helped me pay for 2 years of college I paid for the last 3 years. I graduated with a total of 27K USD in debt. I got my first job making $31,200 USD after tax. I worked there for 1 year 2 months before I got laid off early 2010(during the recession, I was working in oil and gas). My first year of working I lived at home with my mother for 2 years to save extra cash and drove a 1995 toyota corolla that was fully paid off. The first year of working I focused on saving every dollar possible. I was able to stay on a budget of around $100 USD per week for food and gas. I didn’t eat out for lunch and ate before meeting up friends at happy hour. After I was laid off I had about 25K in Cash and stocks. Luckily I started making money as the market was crashing so I jumped into the market at the bottom.

    I have been unemployed since. I first liquidated my stock account and started an online retailer that failed. I lost approx. $3,000 USD and about 5 months of time. Then I started a food business that didnt take off until early 2011. This business I kept for 2 years and solid it early 2013. After I sold the business I had approx $150,000 K in cash. I sold the 2nd business as I was starting a 3rd business(brick and mortar retail). It has now been a little over a year and I currently have about $125,000 USD in the stock market(managed by a financial advisor) and $75,000 USD in cash, no home equity. By 30 which is only 5 months away I should be worth close to $275,000 USD(business worth not included). I know I’m ahead but I still feel behind. I am currently looking to start a new business or looking to get into real estate. Any tips?

    None of my friends want to open up about their personal finances. Its frustrating!! Why is it so taboo to talk about net worth?

    note: I didnt start paying off college loans until last year because the interest was below 3%. I also found it difficult to get a business loan so instead of paying off college debt I decided to use the money to grow my businesses that luckily returned over 3%.

    I use a simple excel sheet to track my net worth. I update it every week. I have tried mint but its not too accurate on labeling different purchases.


    • says

      Great story Tony about starting at the bottom, taking risks, and working your way up! You’ve come to the right place if you enjoy talking about personal finances.

      Your friends are probably a little embarrassed about their personal finances, hence why they don’t want to discuss.

      I highly recommend signing up for Personal Capital to track your net worth. They are a free online tool which not only tracks your net worth and sends you a weekly e-mail on how it’s changed with some latest news on the markets, it also analyzes your investments for excessive fees and helps you keep track of your net worth. I found $1,700 a YEAR in investment fees I had no idea I was paying with their free tool!

      I used to do Excel once a month for 10 years until I found them. It’s a great tool and a no brainer to use technology to help in growing our wealth.

      Good to have you around and keep on saving!


    • Randy says

      You should be congratulated for focusing on net worth at such a young age. It is an interesting metric to factor net worth/dollar of income earned, which keeps you focused on both sides of the equation. My experience tells me you are light years ahead of your friends, which will pay huge dividends in terms of overall security later in life. Good job!!

    • Shawn Miller says

      Tony – I think you are doing great and I applaud your entrepenurial spirit in light of challenging economic times. I speak with some credibility as I do financial counseling for the poor. I encourage you to get your debt – school and business – paid down or paid off completely. Once you are debt free you will not believe the no-stress, financial freedom you will have. One book that has really helped me is Dave Ramsey’s “Total Money Makeover”. I do not work for Dave or his organization so am not biased. I followed the process in the book and over several years got completely out of debt – even mortgage debt and am building net worth as I get closer to retirement (I’m 52). But anyway – just wanted to encourage you – you are doing great. Keep under-spending and over-achieving! :)

  2. Joseph says

    Why is the delusional belief that grades matter needed to be considered above average. There is no significant correlation between good grades and higher salaries. When I completed my degree in Physics I had a 2.8 and had several job offers at graduation including Google where I ended up deciding to work.

    Going to college is important. Choosing a major employers respect is important. Choosing classes that are challenging and relevant to your career goals is important. Grades do not matter at all. Nobody has ever asked me my GPA since I graduated. Employers do not care.

    If anything focusing on grades encourages people to take easier classes and less classes per term. Only taking on as much as you can do perfectly may be a good way to keep your GPA up in school, but once you graduate you will be unable to adapt to the real world where that just isn’t practical.

    • says

      Impressive you got into Google with. 2.8 GPA. Where did you go and how did you get your foot in the door? Of the googles I’ve asked, several have said they have a minimum GPA cut off,

    • Jack says

      To me, grades do matter. I work at a Fortune 500 company and when I interview people, I do look at their grades, but it’s only just one aspect of a person and would never hire on grades alone.

      Why does a good GPA matter? It shows to me that the person was disciplined in getting their assignments done, on time, and did a good job to deserve the grade they were given. If I had to interview a person with a 2.8 GPA right out of school, they better be damn great in the other areas I look at.

        • Ivan says

          GPA in Science degree are generally overlooked in the industry… (have a 2.8 GPA in physics who have some understanding of advanced Calculus, optics, and eletronics are at far better position then folks who has a 4.0 GPA in humanities (which go back to you said “a degree that employers respected”). With good experience, a 2.8 phyical science or math graduate shouldn’t have too much trouble getting a job in a great company (but consider that they may not get into grad school which lower their chance of getting promoted).

          • says

            I don’t know about that Ivan. If someone got a 2.8, that’s a C+ average. There must have been some heavy, heavy partying, irresponsibility, lack of focus or something else going on as a result.

            If you were an employer, would you risk it over a candidate with a 3.3, all things being equal? There are tons of 3.0+ students out there looking for a job.

          • Jack says

            Professions and grades are not related to each other so I’m not sure why you’d mix up the two.

            Someone with a BA is most likely not looking for a job that requires a BS degree and vice versa. That’s downright foolish when the job says a B.S. degree required to do the job.

            We already know that people with STEM degrees on average earn more than those with non-STEM degrees and that there is a higher demand for those with STEM degrees than non-STEM.

            What I’m saying is when I’m interviewing a bunch of candidates for a particular job, they are usually candidates with the similar specializations/skills. for example, a bunch of chip designers. There’s not going to be a professional journalist, librarian, or teacher in those list of candidates when I’m comparing GPAs.

            • Adam Miller says

              Financial Sameria, it sounds like you are more familiar with lower level colleges. At top schools, a 2.8 GPA in an engineering track or Physics is pretty good. I am sure if he chose Physics at a top university, he wasn’t interested in getting as much partying in as possible.

            • says

              If you think William and Mary and Berkeley are lower level colleges, then yes.

              But nobody with under a 3.0, more like under a 3.5 would even get a response at Goldman Sachs, where I started. The same went for places like McKinsey, Bain, private equity shops etc.

              Why would a company bother interviewing a 2.8 in engineering when they have tons of 3.8s in engineering?

              Where did you go to school, what was your GPA and what are you doing now?

            • Lockon says

              @Financial Samurai: I had a 2.8 GPA in EE from a respected engineering school and had no problem getting offers. I was asked about it during interviews but I could show that I had a more practical grasp on problem solving than theoretical during the interviews – that’s the type of job I was applying for and the type of job I got. I had a physics professor once who said “it’s now what you know, rather its about knowing where to find it”… words I live by.

              It depends on so many things beyond just GPA. Saying “all things being equal” is meaningless because no two people are the same, nor are all job requirements dependent on theory or book learning.

              Having said that, I’d also like to say thank you for such an excellent article. It really helped me to understand where I should be at my age and gave me some peace of mind.

            • says

              No problem Lockon. Glad you were able to get a good offer with a 2.8 GPA. When you’re in a hiring position, if not already, you will probably also give those with similar GPAs more of a chance, and that’s good.

              Glad you found the article useful!

        • matt says

          I had an 2.80 GPA in Electrical Engineering. I also worked my way through college working 30-40 hours a week. Compare me to someone who got a 3.8 is that they probably did not work and had enough time to study where I did not. Also most were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Grades do not necessarily point to intelligence or worth ethic. I am in a position to hire engineers and techs and I can tell you I could care less about grades.

          • says

            I think we tend to pivot towards what we know. If we didn’t do well, then we are more forgiving of those who also didn’t do as well.

            Good you are giving other 2.8 GPAs a chance! The question is, would you let your kids get below a 3.0 GPA?

            • Rob says

              I help to hire and direct talent. I think, and agree with the posters that engineering (my discipline) is the misnomer. I lead my team, recommend whom we hire and don’t really consider grades. We aren’t looking at people for what a talking head nominated as their worth on a 4.0 scale – we want proactive problem solvers who can do the work we give them.

              I would take a 2.8 in Physics and weigh that person equally the same as any other candidate. In IT we are looking for talent. Having good grades is sufficient but not necessary to explain someone is talented.

            • matt says

              I 2nd Rob and add that grades are only a small part especially in Engineering. What you learn in school is only a fraction of what makes a person succesful. The smartest person in the world is useless if they can not work with people and cannot explain their thoughts clearly.

              I would take work ethic and can do attitude anytime over somebody with grades.

            • Josh says

              You need to do your homework on the average GPAs at schools like Berkeley. The technical degrees tend to have much lower GPAs (there are very few 3.8s with everything graded on a curve). These same students had very high GPAs entering college. I could understand if you have a finance degree, then the average GPA is going to be (and needs to be) higher.

              Where did you go to school: Georgia Tech
              What was your GPA: 2.9
              What are you doing now? CFO

            • Jon says

              Grade point is one of the few measures of success an interviewer has of a person who is just graduating college if that graduate has no other pertinent experience that applies.

              That said, companies who use grade point as their main criteria for hiring are missing the boat big time IME. I’ve been hiring and working with technical types (mostly engineers) for over 30 years now. Some of the best “problem solvers” i’ve hired and worked with were not 4 points.

              4 pointers tend to be good at theory that is already printed in a book somewhere. They usually fall flat on their face when they have to manipulate the formulae and/or the problem solving method beyond what they’ve memorized in a book. Which happens all the time in engineering fields.

              Of course i’m generalizing here as i’ve also dealt with 4 pointers that were VERY good at application as well. It’s just been my experience that folks with lower grade points tend to be more open to the possiblity that they are not always right and tend seek out other, better solutions.

              High grade point many times mean larger ego. Much larger! Which is a huge problem in technical fields.

      • bob says

        I too have conducted many interviews as an executive and have not one time discussed GPA’s during an interview. Its important to pass to obtain a degree, however, some do not test well and is not a good representation of a persons skills. Many tests are designed to have only one correct answer however there is a runner up with a minor discrepancy that determines the difference in a correct answer. So, it may better test some attention to detail but does not define a persons ability. Sure there are many opinions on the topic and quite frankly there is no right answer. The guy who made it into Google may have had to take some sort of engineering test at Google as part of the interview process so they could assess his skills which is a much more effective method than testing for correct answers….

    • Bud says

      I agree with Joeseph, grades do not matter. There is a known correlation between high gpa and life time W2… Where the same person who received a mid level gpa due to working full time during college while volunteering their time at big brothers big sisters, and starting their own company is clearly someone I’d rather hire/partner with/be friends with/trust. At my company gpa is the last thing we ask an applicant and only if we don’t find enough other impressive life experiences. Everyone is different, to stereotype is to overgeneralize, however guys like Joeseph with a 2.8 typically are more well read, have higher work ethic, are all around more socially adept, and think much more creatively, than their 3.8 gpa counterparts. This is a reflection of the work theory popularized and proved by Captain Christopher Lee who postulated the idea of heads down time vs heads up time. If anyone spends all their time buried in the books, they will do well with gpa but miss so much of life around them, and vice vs. 2.8 gpa’s make better workers, friends, entrepreneurs, inventors, and investors… On another note, I’d take the bet that the graduating class of Any state college vs any Ivy League school has higher mean net worth per student over their lifetime.

      • says

        If you’re the CEO of your company and happier with hiring 2.8 GPA candidates that is great. I’d just rather own and invest in a company that hires 3.8 GPA candidates no matter where they went to school. Work ethic cannot be overemphasized.

        • Anticlimacus says

          A big 4 accounting firm won’t even look at someone with a GPA lower than a 3.0. I worked for one for 5+ years and was involved with recruiting during my employment. A good GPA is vitally important in that field.

    • Steven says

      I don’t agree. I graduated summa cum laude in geophysics and I never once used my degree. What is did take away from college was fortitude. The fortitude to graduate with a 3.96 and a senior research paper that could have been published, was a great accomplishment. It showed me that I am a capable human being and that I can tackle anything I chose when I apply myself. That is invaluable in business, personal life, and all endeavors. You have to be kidding me if you don’t think reputable firms whose salaries are commensurate to success do not look at GPA and honorary decrees like summa cum laude as a basis for hiring. Trust me when I tell you, that when I see honors mentions I immediately take notice. I know how hard I had to work to make that happen, and no one escapes the effort when achieving honorary mention from a top IT school in this nation. It is a badge of grueling mental endurance. It is a worthy one. It is noticed.

  3. Jewie says

    It’s a good post. Essentially what your financial life *could be* if you have batted 1.000. At 35 I’m $100k behind the $418k bogey, due to some unlucky events (divorce), some lucky events (buying a foreclosed property at a $50k discount to fair value), and typical early 20s lifestyling. But I don’t consider the $418k completely unfair.

    I’m with the author that grades often do matter. I’m shocked Google doesn’t have minimums, unless you’re a coding unicorn or data scientist PhD. On Wall Street, GPA minimums are the norm even for experienced hires at most mutual funds, hedge funds, sell side.

  4. Squid4Life says

    I don’t believe grades should matter. I kept a 4.0 GPA and didn’t bother finishing college when I realized that employers don’t really care. I taught myself finance and did better than the people in grad school. Then again, I love playing with numbers so finance and accounting came with ease. No employer has ever asked me for my GPA and when they see I didn’t finish college and ask why, I am honest about it. I was able to sell myself, without the added padding. My current salary is six figures. My friends who went on to grad school don’t even make close to what I do and they have major debt still from school.

  5. Eric says

    I have to imagine most of the people on here are full of it. How are you 24 with a net worth of $100k? Or these guys that are in their 30s saying they have $500k.. You have to all come from money, there’s just no way these numbers are even possible unless you’re making $250k a year.

    My wife and I started bringing in about $110k a year after taxes starting 2 years ago (I’m 30)
    our monthly bills come out to about $7,000 so that leaves us with $26,000 a year. When you figure nights out, gifts, extra junk, that leaves me with about $15,000 to put away each year. I currently have a net worth of about $50k, with $25k in my investments. (would have been more if I didn’t have to pay for an engagement ring and part of a wedding last year) Even if I continue to put $15,000 a year away, and average 20% returns I’ll still have under $175k by the time I’m 35… someone please tell me what I’m doing wrong? FYI I’m doing way better than most people I know. I do know one guy that has been maxing out his 401k since he was like 22 and has about $65k in there, but he still lives at home with his parents at age 29!

    • Jonathan says

      Eric, it’s glaringly obvious what you’re doing wrong – “our monthly bills come out to about $7,000″

      I can’t even imagine how your monthly spending is that high. Presumably there’s some major student loan debt in there – but even so, those are some high expenses! You don’t mention children so I assume it’s just the two of you.

      My wife and I are also 30, and make a bit more than you; however, we’re able to increase our net worth by nearly 50% of our incomes each year (mostly by saving…partly through asset appreciation) and give away about 25% of our income. Our basic spending each month is well under half of yours, even with a baby.

    • Lynn says

      You need to track where your money goes. An average American household brings home less than half of what you and your wife make, you definitely can find rooms to trim your expenses. When I was your age my husband and I made about what you make. We lived in a one bedroom apartment, ate at home most of the time, walked the park as a recreation, did staycations instead of vacations, invite friends over instead of going out (invest in a good margarita machine). In two years we saved $100k, roughly half the take home and didn’t even feel like we didn’t have fun. Watching our nest eggs grow is fun.

      • says

        Tracking where your money goes is EXACTLY what everybody should do! How many times have we withdrawn money from the ATM machine and then several days later we are wondering WHERE IT ALL WENT?! Now imagine if we don’t track our net worth and expenses, then that’s a disaster.

        I recommend everybody sign up for Personal Capital, a free financial tools program that tracks your net worth for you, sends you an e-mail once a week with the latest net worth amount, and highlights your portfolio performance. You can manage your expenses and income and analyze your portfolios for excessive fees too. They’ve got their software as an app for the iPhone or Android too.

        One we start knowing where our money is going, we can start optimizing our wealth. You saving $100,000 is awesome in two years, especially since it’s half your take home. Well done!

    • Adam Miller says

      I made my money by living small in my twenties. When I graduated college, I used a VA loan to buy a triplex and lived in the middle crappy unit while I fixed it up and lived there essentially rent free. Once it was fixed up, I used the money I saved to buy another triplex and did the same thing. I bought another triplex and lived in the crappy unit while I fixed it up. At that point, I had $1000 in cash flow with a free place to live and I was 24 years old. I am 36 now and own a B&B, and own 30 units with a net worth about $650,000. It all started by living small when I was young. Would I be willing to live like that now? Hell no!! That is why I did it when I was 22 and used to the college lifestyle.

      • says

        Wow, 30 units is a lot! Where do you own these properties? In SF, one unit would be at least $600,000, and a one bedroom, maybe.

        You are exactly right about doing this stuff in our 20s, b/c we won’t want to hustle as much when we are older.

    • bonnie says

      Not full of it, but definitely more frugal… Whatever you are doing to have a monthly budget of 7k means you haven’t yet recognized the difference between necessity and personal choice.
      I started out of university with a salary of 30k, and prioritized putting the max in my 401k that I was allowed. I am now mid-30s and still make less than 6 figures a year (some of the sciences really don’t pay all that great!), but I have maxed out my 401k every year that I’ve had one (there were two years where my employer didn’t have one), and have invested carefully and consistently. I have lived in a tiny studio apartment for more than 12 years in order to save up enough cash to buy a home. While I don’t live in SF, I do in another high cost of living area in California where even a fixer upper starter home will run you around 500k. Not coming from a family with a ton of money, I wasn’t yet in a position to risk it all and purchase when the market here began to skyrocket back in 2001. Instead, I opted for sacrifice and a little extra patience while continuing to try to live like a starving college student. Family and friends have heckled me for years, but I finally got my break earlier this year when I managed to land a duplex in a good neighborhood in town as a result of having invested the difference I saved between living in luxury for the past 12 years (having a larger apartment) or scrimping a bit (living in my shack and sucking it up). Even after buying the property, I have 300k in my 401k, around 60k in stocks and bonds, and 20k in my savings/checking. The duplex came with tenants that get to finish out their leases, so I am still just renting a room in town (which definitely sucks), but I am saving up even more money in the meantime. Net worth clocks in at about 630k. Monthly expenses = about $1200. I worked to pay my own way through school (UC) and came out with, while perhaps not the GPA I wanted, 0 debt. I worked my butt off to do it, and I still do today. I don’t work at my ‘dream job’ – and I don’t make oodles of dough – but my job has survived the economic downturn and has provided me with a roof over my head, groceries and enough extra money to save for retirement and to indulge in my various hobbies (within reason). I have only owned 2 cars – both bought used and with cash (I splurged last year and upgraded from my 97 corolla to an 08 Honda fit). I eat out, but usually for breakfast rather than dinner, and while I love to travel, I usually only manage to take one big trip a year, and I always budget for it in advance. I don’t try to keep up with the Joneses or my more affluent friends. Those that don’t respect or understand that I can’t always eat out at the 5 star restaurant, take the cruise to Mexico, or hop a flight to go skiing in Colorado with them and still maintain my financial solvency/independence aren’t really friends (or prospective spouses/partners!)… and I learned early on to eventually distance myself from them. When I am tempted to waver from my long-term plan I just remembering/thinking about where I want to be when I am my parents’ ages. I have seen how their individual work ethics, investment strategies, personal life decisions (divorce, home purchases, relocations for jobs/homes – and timing of same) and plain old dumb luck (good and bad) have impacted them – often for the worse. Who knows if I’ll be able to ever retire? I don’t. Not sure I’ll want to anyway. BUT – I do hope to have the duplex paid off by the time I’m 55… and to move up a little bit from my backpacker’s budget when I travel. After that, who knows!

    • Steven says

      7000 in monthly payments? Wow. That is crazy. Mine are 2200 on a tight budget, and 4200 if I allow for additional payments on the house, extra to savings, and extra spending for personal endeavors. 7000 is an extravagant lifestyle even for New York or SF. Seriously. And if you are those places you would be making way more than an extra 25k a year. And that is two people. Me think you need an honest reassessment of your financial life.

  6. Eric Z says

    I find your articles intriguing. Thanks for helping me think about the future. I’m 40 years old and worked for an HR Outsourcing firm for 14 years consulting on and working with DC and DB plans. I spoke with many clients and their employees and thought it was so sad so many 50+ year olds didn’t even have $70K or $80K in their 401(k) plans; these were also employees who were making decent money- $60K+/year. I always remember my Dad telling me to save as much as early as I can in my 401(k) plan. I feel that was revolutionary coming from an immigrant from Lithuania who never even finished middle school. I’m proud him and my Mom saved a decent amount for retirement. Unfortunately they have both passed away but left me with some good saving habits.

    I’ve saved around $320K in my 401(k) plan so far and have another $50K in my old ESOP. My wife is a year younger and has $130K. I feel comfortable where we are, even though it’s low according to your “what should you have saved by XX chart.” I feel your chart is the ideal amount to save but not very realistic for many because of low earning potential out of school and debt. I was fortunate and saved a decent amount living at home but I was only making $26K out of school.

    Regarding grades, my thought is the most important part is to graduate. I had a high 2 GPA from a state school in IL. I feel many more employers now ask for and take into consideration a candidate’s GPA, but I feel it doesn’t directly correlate to high job performance. The same goes with graduate degrees, especially when a candidate goes straight from their bachelors to their masters. I always recommend gaining true work experience before going back to school. The job market is saturated with many grad degrees with little experience. I still value experience but it’s unfortunate many just look at grades and degrees. As you’ve said and others have commented, it’s important to look at the whole person when assessing candidates.

    My current role is an HR leader in health care making decent living financially (I know that’s relative though).

    Thanks again.

  7. NotBrian says

    What an incredible bunch of drivel.

    I have a HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA (much like BILL GATES), and have a net worth of $2,000,000. I invested in real estate that I bought outright (NO MORTGAGES), have a steady rental income of $15,000 per month and an appreciating portfolio.

  8. AJ says

    Hello! I have been reading this website for awhile but this is my first post! :) I think I’m on par for my age. 33, 350k net worth (290k in 401k and Roth IRA and 60k in pension) I plan on leaving my job due to military transfer in a few years and will be rolling my pension into an IRA since who knows if it will be there in 30+ years. My husband has another 150k in his 401k and Roth. We are working on early retirement. He has 8 years left in the military and I’d love for him to be able to relax after that. He is about to leave for his 5th deployment and we want to enjoy life after the military. Early retirement can be done with a little hard work and financial knowledge! I started work with a telecommunications company at age 19 and went to college while working. It was not easy but it gave me the ability to begin saving early (started my Roth at 19 and always contributed the max, contributed around 10% to 401k in beginning but just started maxing out a few years ago) I was fortunate enough for have my employer help with tuition reimbursement of 3k per year but I payed the rest myself as I went and graduated with no student loans. We have no car payments, only a mortgage. But our goal is to pay that off before he retires from the military in 8 years. No kids (it’s a little hard to do when he is constantly gone) but hopefully that will happen in a year or so. I also credit no children with the ability to save, although some people would have spent that money on nicer cars, homes, etc. This is not to brag but give my story and how I made it happen! )

  9. says

    I graduated from a lousy school with a 2.8 GPA. I skipped most classes because it was old guys teaching old stuff. Instead I learned how to identify challenges and solve them with critical thinking – a far more universal skill. Now I’m killing it at a prominent space industry distruptor, whose name I don’t care to mention. Prior to that I was at two successful startups in SV who are at the core of technology you use dozens of times per day.

    Some jobs [most in finance probably] require people who can follow instructions. In which case, grades might be a good indicator of how well a person conforms and performs to standards. Other jobs, like those that are paving new ground for humanity, require people to invent things that can’t be graded on anything other than success. In which case, deviations from the norm combined with raw talent are probably a better indicator of success.

    As a fellow above-average person I propose a change to bullet (1):

    “A person who is assertive and can develop skills that deliver value to and assure success within his/her environment.”

    Email/web/full name excluded for the sake of my employer(s)

  10. Lynn says

    We bought our first house at age 22 and had 10 by 30yrs old. We never over-spent when we were young. We took a lot of educated risks and now, in our 50’s, have a nw of 14mil. I handle the RE (20+ rentals) and my husband is a highly compensated executive. No one ever gave us anything. We did things outside of the 9-5 to get wealthy. My kid bought his first rental at age 20 and is worth about 200K at age 25. Yes – we did give him the downpayment. He is a smart kid and makes about 100K. You probably won’t achieve wealth from your 9-5. Your 9-5 allows you the opportunity to get in to other investments. You must not get so caught-up in the day-to-day that you lose sight of the real opportunities. Think outside the box and put some time in to it EARLY. We made sick $$$ in our 20’s, but not through the 9-5.

  11. Lynn says

    I haven’t looked in to any studies regarding the generational wealth transfer that is expected. I expect about 500K (the minimum would be 350K coming from an insurance policy that I own) – not big bucks in the scheme of things. Nothing from my husbands side. In fact, we have been partially supporting my inlaws (and sister) for over 15yrs. I know that my 20 something will be getting a lot, albeit 25 yrs down the road. We are, however, going to start “gifting” the max this year and we have funded his Roth (since he was 16 and still do today). We paid cash for his Ivy education (at our Alma Mater). For comparison sake, we were making 200K at age 30 – 25yrs ago. I don’t know what that would be in today’s dollars. I remember computing nw at 33 and it was 850K. By our early 40’s, it was about 2.5mil. We consider ourselves upper-middle class (not wealthy or rich). On a side note, I find it interesting that many “younger” posters here separate what each spouse has. We never have thought in those terms, but, then again, we married 3 wks after college graduation (with a negative net worth – husband had college loans). We came out of school in 1980, making 14K and 12K.

  12. AD says

    Hi all,

    Interesting article and comments. Would love to hear from those who got into real estate with little/no formal education in finance/real estate, because my degree is in something else entirely. Especially interested in which books or resources you used to educate yourself. Although not a genius (like many of you seem), I’m a bit of an autodidact and very interested in the passive income (even if only supplemental to my low six-figure income) that owning properties can provide. Eventually want to manage multiple properties and get out of corporate America, and start “living absolutely free” as Samurai puts it. I’d then be able to focus more on my creative/artistic endeavors.

    Much appreciated,

    • Lynn says

      We went heavy into Real Estate right out of school and had 12 or 14 properties when I “retired” at 31 after our son was born. I still did a lot of buying (many at the Courthouse), selling, 1031’s, etc. and built the portfolio up to 20+. We also have 3 personal homes – buying our summer home at 29. I had no “formal” training (I was an Econ major in College and then went to Law School at night while working a 9-5). I did grow up with a mother who owned and managed small (4 or 5 unit) apartment houses and spent many a summer painting and cleaning those places. She was a School Nurse. I used to enjoy going with her to look at prospective purchases – but had no exposure to the actual “numbers”. I read everything I could get my hands on (“Nothing Down” comes to mind). These were years (decades) before any info was available on-line. Now, people can learn as much as they want by simply going on-line. I’d recommend a great web site (I have no financial interest in it), but I don’t know if that is allowed here. It’s free to join and everyone is friendly and helpful (from newbies to seasoned mega-investors). It’s only been during the past 5 or 6 yrs that my husband’s “outside” activities have caught-up with our RE NW.

  13. Squid4Life says

    I guess I would never work for FS since my gpa was oh let’s say less than most. I was working since I was twelve albeit illegally but making the bucks nonetheless. At 35 I am very well off and I don’t know the gpa of anyone who works for me. My team knows that a spiffy resumes and connections to big names don’t mean a thing to me. Results, work ethic, personal values and creative and analytical thinking are all that matters in my business. Everyone has their ideas as to what they look for in a worker.

  14. dustin faeder says

    So I understand that this is “for the above average person,” but I think there is a seriously flawed assumption going on here: that your above-average person begins work at 22. I would certainly consider my wife and I “above average,” in that we have 20 years of higher education between us, at well-reputed institutions such as Vanderbilt, Tufts, and the University of Michigan. Together we have undergraduate degrees in German Studies, Economics, Philosophy, Psychology, and Sociology. We also have masters in Sociology and Philosophy, a PhD in Sociology, and a JD. But this means we didn’t really start working until age 30, have had to manage our student loans, and didn’t become solvent until 31. Now that we are out of school and working, however, we are rapidly accumulating wealth. For many professions, there is an educational delay that is later recompensed by a higher pay rate, but that is not reflected in your model.

      • Dustin Faeder says

        So that’s exactly the problem I’m highlighting. There are many definitions of what constitutes an “above average” person. By labeling this article the way you do, you seem to imply a close correspondence between a person’s quality and a person’s wealth, which seems like a false equivalence. Many famous artists, intellectuals, and saints were notoriously poor. The article would be more aptly named “The Average Net Worth for the Richest 20%, By Age,” which might be even more aptly named “How Much $$ You Would Have in the 95th percentile of wealth for Your Age Group.” These numbers are just guesses, but one further point they make is that I’m confused why you use the average rather than the median, since that is vastly skewed by the wealth of the 1%.

        You are right that a person could use the “Years Worked” column, which would then represent an estimate of the average wealth of an individual in some high wealth percentile who has only worked for X years. However, that would be a poor proxy for the different economic track typically enjoyed by those with higher educations, since the entire curve of wealth building looks different for different education levels.

        • says

          I understand you’re frustrated that you don’t fall into the above average net worth estimations. This has been common feedback by many who get a lot of education. Just simply blaze your own trail Dustin and make your own rules. These figures are just what I believe in.

  15. Rich says

    I love reading these comments.

    Some of the things I agree with:
    * GPA counts, but only for your first few years out of college, and if you plan to do any grad school. Nobody cares after you have work experience in your field. I also agree that it does reflect work ethic in college, but not necessarily intelligence and absolutely not earning potential.
    * It’s easy to look at other people’s success and feel they had it easier. I know, I’ve done it a lot.

    My stats: just turned 44. Married, two kids and net worth of ~$615k. My wife currently doees not work much at all, choosing to stay home with the kids. I am an engineer in the Midwest earning an average engineer’s income. I like the poster who said the table gives a good number if you bat 1.000. Things that have probably set me back:
    * Wife brought in $25k of college/consumer debt. NOTE: I emphatically do *NOT* consider her a liability :-)
    * Upgraded our home near the peak of the market and overpaid considerably.
    * I didn’t understand investing in my 20s at all. I once bought a mutual fund with the letters OTC in them and didn’t know what they meant. I do now!

    My financial plan includes:
    * maximizing 401k contributions and a 6% match from my employer to really grow that retirement money
    * continuing to pay on our 15 year mortgage to eliminate mortgage debt in the next 10 years.
    * follow the advice in Ben Stein’s great book, “Yes you can time the market” about SMARTER dollar cost averaging
    * Of course tracking net worth with Personal Capital by linking all my accounts
    * tracking the budget with YNAB. It’s basically the envelope budget system but with an Android app instead of envelopes.
    * Ultimately, being prepared to possibly *semi* retire at age 55. I will spill the beans on an IRS detail that I may take advantage of. In the year you turn 55, if you leave your job for whatever reason, you can begin to withdraw from that employer’s 401k *WITHOUT PENALTY*. If you plan ahead, you can roll previous 401k money into the current employer’s plan and have essentially ALL of your retirement money available to you at age 55.

  16. Andy in Denver says

    Great info.

    At age 49 I’m at about 2M ($750K retirement, $750K investment, $500K home equity). $400K of that investment is from a recent inheritance. I own a vacation property out of state and a condo that I rent out (both free and clear), and live with my domestic partner in a house he owns and pay him a modest monthly rent.

    Even with a not super high end income (just over 100K) I max my 401ks and will do catch up in 2015 (when I turn 50 – $24K max contribution). Use the qualified dividend income from investments if I need extra cash and limit my tax burden by deferring income. (Also, max the HCSA account; another way to stash cash away tax free).

    A previous post talked about removing 401k monies after age 55 from a qualified plan; that’s true, but the order to use your retirement money is always – taxable first – then tax deferred (401k) – then tax free (Roth). Unless you have no other cash you would not want to take 401k money at age 55. And if you don’t have any other cash – why are you retiring?

    Admittedly no kids to raise or send to college, so one reason why I’ve accumulated so much cash. But I keep my cars for 10-15 years, buy cars with cash, cook at home a lot, and don’t spend money on useless things. I cringe when I talk to (much less wealthy) friends about their leased cars, or how their car will be paid off in a few months and they will go out right away and buy new.

    I use Quicken pretty exclusively to track my investments.

  17. Erin says

    I’m not sure how people can afford those contributions, either. My husband and I are 35 with a household income of 64k (which I understand is about average). We are currently only able to contribute 3840 to our 401k each year, with a match of 2560 for a total of 6400. We own a median home (220k) with 95k in equity and a 15-year mortgage payment of 1326 per month. Our expenses come out to 3500 a month, we have no debt except our mortgage, and we’re very frugal- shopping at garage sales and thrift stores, eating a simple diet of lots of beans and grains with mostly only the cheapest produce under a dollar per pound and no meat. We drive cheap, paid-for cars. We don’t have cable, and my flip phone with no data costs $10 per month. We have four children ranging in age from 2 to 10. The only real extravagance we have is that three of the four kids take piano lessons for $120 per month. This chart may be realistic for single people or married people with no children, but it doesn’t seem very workable for families.

  18. Rich says


    Fair question re: use of 401k money. My comment was mostly about my wanting that flexibility. I am not suggesting everyone follow the same plan. I don’t know about you, but I don’t believe I would ever have enough to retire without using at least some 401k money. Perhaps if the strategy was to put everything into post-tax savings that is possible (i.e. a Roth 401k with high contribution limits?). I’ve got some in post-tax, but the lion’s share in pre-tax savings. Of course you are right in your order of what to draw on first, but it’s not as bad as you might think if you plan to retire in the 15% bracket. Were I to shift my savings today to be more post-tax, I would be paying 25% federal income tax on that money. Nobody has a crystal ball with respect to future tax rates, but after the Bush tax cuts for the lower brackets were made permanent by this administration, I have a least a little confidence that 15% is where I’ll be if I choose to retire at 55. It doesn’t sound lavish, but with a paid-for home it’s not bad. I can also choose to pick up work here and there to supplement that income. As a software engineer with fairly relevant skills I get unsolicited requests to work 3-12 month contracts pretty frequently.

  19. John says

    So I’m 30 and have a net worth of about $750k. However, I only have about $25k in 401ks, $250k in cash, and the rest is equity in my home (combo of appreciation and aggressive principal paydown). I owe about $260k on my house and I’m considering just paying off the mortgage and loading up on “investments” after that. I personally have the blessing of making too much to deduct hardly anything from pre-tax retirement accounts and therefore my only real contribution each year is maxing out my HSA ($5,500/yr). What’s my move in my 30’s? In a good market my household can bring in $350k+ and in a down year probably $250k+. However, if my wife quit or went part-time we’d be down $100k/yr. What should my goal be over the next 10 years?

  20. Shawn M says

    My advice would be to 1) eliminate non-mortgage debt and 2) pay off your mortgage. Some would say leave the mortgage debt and invest in the market, but I’m not one of those people. I think its better to be out of debt, besides, the market is at/near all time highs and we are due for another recession at some point (its been ~ 7 years since the last one) and I don’t think stock market returns are going to be spectacular for the next couple of years. Good to max out your HSA and 401K.

    Your “move in your 30s” depends on your goals – and you should think bigger than financial (ie, do you want kids/more kids? If so, is your wife going to keep working? Does she want to quit to spend more time with the kids, or cut back to part-time). These kinds of decisions made now, when kids are young and impressionable, are more important than the financial ones. Those things aside, I would 1) pay off all debt, 2) build wealth. It’s that simple. Dave Ramsey’s “Total money makeover” can spell out more details.

    Congrats on your current net worth position. At your age that is admirable.

  21. says

    I have been looking for an honest net worth appraisal on line for stewards of finances for years. Great job! For the first time, I can see I do have a lot of work to do, while, understanding that I am focused on retiring early. Thank you for your effort.

  22. Lockon says

    Question about including equity in a home: some “experts” say that including equity in your home is meaningless to net worth because if you were to realize that equity (sell your home) you would need the same money to either buy a new home or pay for rent. Can you better explain why you include home equity in the equation?
    PS, I’m not disputing the importance of owning – that is 100% clear.

    • Thomas47 says

      To illustrate:

      Imagine three houses on a street, each worth $300k.

      House A has 33% equity with $200k mortgage balance

      House B has 50% equity with $150k mortgage balance

      House C has 100% equity with no mortgage

      Otherwise, the finances are the same for the house’s owners.

      The only way to fairly measure net worth is to say that the owner of house C has the most NW. It would not be accurate to omit equity and say all three households have the same NW.

  23. Robert says

    I’m a small business owner and you have a problem with saving as much money as you predict. I own a construction company and get about 20 to 50,000 a year under the table. I put a lot of money into toys and my wife and I go out quite often. Any suggestions as to where to invest liquid cash that I don’t want Uncle Sam to find out about? My wife works and we claim last year right around 100 K in combined in gross income. I plan on building a house in using the liquid cash to pay subs to do so. My goal is to be 35 with a $300,000 plus home paid for but I have no money invested and 401(k)/retirement. My wife is a teacher and obviously will have a pension in my business typically has 30 to 60,000 in it. Just wondering if anyone can help with how to spend liquid cash because obviously the tax-free benefits of it or how I can get ahead.

  24. Steve says

    This seems like a load of nonsense. The “above average” net worth is seemingly based on the comments of a group of rich people who gather to talk about all the money they have. Talk about selection bias!

    I’m probably about average for my age based on the “above average” net worth chart, but there are so many people who I would also consider to be doing well for themselves that are no where near these figures. Anyone going to grad school, which is a common thing these days, will be way behind these numbers for the first decade or two of their lives.

  25. Jasmine says

    I’m 22 with a net worth of 60k (45k in savings, 15k in retirement.)
    Would have been 80k but when I got my licence I purchased a 20k car.

    I haven’t been financially dependent on anyone since I was 17.
    I didn’t go to college, in fact, I left school when I was 14 – no regrets.

    Despite not finishing high school the first job I landed paid 46k PA.
    I suppose I’m lucky the minimum wage In my country is $16 an hour but most employers pay a minimum of $18.52 an hour.

  26. Josh says


    One thing that doesn’t add up to me is the use of the 2015 tax deferred limits for all ages. For example, a person who is 45 years old in 2015 could not have legally contributed $18,000 back when they started investing as a 21 year old in 1991. Back then, the limit was only $8,475. So if you assume that a person has contributed the maximum amount for their entire career, then you have to factor in that 401k limits have increased over time. Otherwise, the numbers are skewed upwards the older a person is.

    • says

      Excellent point. The chart is more forward looking than backward looking. BUT, I also think the chart can pertain well to anybody given I don’t include any company match or much growth on the low end and high end.

      • Josh says

        5% growth on investments isn’t really conservative, if we’re talking about growth AFTER an assumed long term inflation rate of 3%. I typically assume a long term pre-inflation growth rate of ~8%, so if I want to think in present dollars, then I assume a real long term growth rate of 8-3 = 5%.

        Since you also assume in your chart that the tax deferred limits will never increase from their current 2015 levels, then I view your chart as being presented in present dollars when doing forward projections (since the limits are indexed to inflation, they tend to stay relatively constant in terms of real purchasing power).

        Huh…now that I think about it a little more, maybe you can use the chart to do proper backwards analyses. You just have to mentally consider that while the past years’ contribution amounts were actually lower in past dollars, they were worth more in present dollars – which is accounted for by using the after inflation 5% growth rate.

        Might need to dig out my old Finance for Engineers book to confirm if I’m thinking about NPV correctly…

  27. says

    Well, I don’t “fit” into the averages….I’m a single female, aged 60, no kids, no hubby. I graduated from the U.of Wisconsin 1977 majoring in Bacteriology, worked as a chemist for five years, and have had my own business(es) for 33 years. In 1980, I signed up for seminars on retirement planning , at the Fortune 500 where I worked, but at that time, Human Resources informed me that I was “too young” to attend so I was not allowed to go.

    I bought my first condo here in California in 1989 and still own it and yes, it’s paid off. In 1993-94 I attended a year of graduate school on a full fellowship and dropped out of the PhD program as I saw a future in academic biological research as the path to legalized welfare. (competing for grants when only 12 percent were getting approved.)

    I started another business, doing well when I could/can work through migraines which last three days and are debilitating. These come when I eat certain foods or inhale certain fumes. My renewal commissions were forfeited/stolen for my first two businesses. I learned a lot the hard way.

    So today I have a business that I have ready buyers for my future discounted flow of commissions. I sold some future commissions a couple years ago to buy marketing material. My business is only worth about $163000, but it is growing fast now that I can manage my migraines. In addition, I will be completing my MBA in three months at my current age of sixty. I will also have completed the HTML5 Content Developer Certificate at the junior college while I have sat here launching what is now my third business. Today I signed three contracts for products that I have sold before, but these new contracts all give me my own URLS to use and I now have the computer skills I need to benefit from these.

    Here is me: 1) my dog, Winston, aged 6 is paid off and I have breeding rights; I bought him for $600. Ok….I don’t plan to breed him…he’s strictly my buddy, and from my standpoint he’s worth over a million! 2) My condo is worth $160,000 and as mentioned above is paid for. 3) a vacation home at the base of Sequoia Park on the river is worth around $400000 and paid off. A friend occupies the large bedroom and pays me $750 a month. 4) I have two other condos out of state that I net around $500 a month total from. They are worth about $100,000 together. 5) Liquid cash and collectibles are worth $46,000. 6. Steady renewal income is about $1800 a month. Renewals are increasing at a rate of about $400 a month. If I did nothing to maintain the renewal income they would be expected to last about 7 years. I guess all this adds up to around $823,000 so according to the standards set down above I have failed royally.

    On the other hand, I walk 2 miles a day, take no meds, do yoga, and feel I have a bright future as my MBA and computer marketing skills are helping me a great deal and I have a feeling I will be starting a marketing branch as part of my business. Although I appear to be a failure I can enjoy my weekends in Three Rivers by Sequoia National Park, and because of my steady renewals I feel I am not stressed out and at risk for a heart attack.

  28. Cheryl says

    Hey! A coworker introduced me to your site and I am fascinated by your articles.
    I was wondering if you could give me some advice:

    I am 24 years old and a project manager making 70k

    In 2009 i graduated community college with $0 debt (state paid for tuition thanks to 4.0, even profited over $2,000 in cash scholarships for maintaining it while in college). And since I had no money for college, my parents convinced me to take a Service Desk Tech (IT help desk) job for around 30k after community college while I enrolled at a public school with an online Comp Sci bachelors program (part time has cost me roughly 7-8k per year). After 1.5 years I was promoted to a QA Tester making around $35k, then to business analyst after 6 months (no raise because i was still “entry level” with no bachelors), and finally to lead business analyst 7 months later (to a salary of 41k).

    A year later, I was fed up with being underpaid for my work (41k is piddly for a business analyst even without a degree, nevermind one who is a supervisor), so I went and got my CAPM certification (slowing my degree by a few months), and asked for a raise. Company said they couldn’t afford it, so I jumped ship when I found a company offering me 70k, 50% 401k match, and tuition reimbursement.

    So now it’s 2015, I’m 4 months from graduating college, I’m making 70k as a project manager (been working here for 2 months), putting 10% of my income into my 401k (currently valued at 10k, & 50% is matched by my employer, i’m at their max for matching), living at home with my parents, I have 3k in CD’s, $26k in savings, and have no debt whatsoever (paying $8k per year for school in cash, so no student loans). I will be continuing to graduate school for my masters in the fall, so I am still expecting to have bills for school for the next 2-3 years (although potentially reimbursed by my job). With my new salary I am dumping $2k of my after tax pay into my savings every month (some of which gets dipped into when tuition time comes).

    I see you recommend putting into the max for 401k’s. I’ve never heard of this before and am fascinated, however, being 24 I really want to save for a house. My mom says I shouldn’t worry about upping my 401k at all right now since I don’t have a big nest egg (for a house) and I can’t take money out of my 401k till retirement and I’d need the money now. I was wondering if you had advice regarding whether one could be in my financial situation and still pay for school, save for a house (I’d like to be able to leave my parents house in 5 years), and still be able to up my 401k contribution percentage?


    • says

      Hi Cheryl,

      Welcome to my site! First of all, nice job implementing a savings structure and getting some more education for your future.

      Contributing to a 401k or saving for a house is certainly a dilemma many people face. The question becomes: How much is the downpayment for the house you want to buy?

      With a $70,000 salary and living at home, you should easily be able to max out $18,000 a year for 2015. Still leaves you with a gross salary of $52,000 to live/save.”Housing fever” desire is strong w/ many people, but if you are still in school and just starting this job, you need to think long and hard about whether you really plan to stay put for AT LEAST five years before buying a house. What if another opportunity arises? Housing has moved up a lot since 2009. Is there a rush?

      Check out:

      Contribute To 401k or Invest After Tax?

      • Cheryl says

        No real eminent rush, just simply that i’m 24 and want to move out without throwing away my money into rent (my parents only charge me 400 a month to live home and “mooch” when apartments in the area are around 800 not including utilities and the food i’d have to pay for).

        Also my boyfriend and I have been together about 4 years. He just graduated college and is in HUGE student debt from RPI (I’m fairly certain it’s around 80-100k though he won’t give me the specific #), but we definitely want to start thinking about a future together soon-ish (hopefully within the next 5-7 years), so I know with his debt I’m going to need to save for the future “us” mostly on my own (and again, I don’t want to throw away rent money on a temporary place when I could save it towards a permanent place).

        Considering where I’m located (between 2 major cities within an hourish radius, plus a lottttt of IT companies in the area), I know I have no need to move where I live much if any to grow my project management career (Google, Bloomberg and others are within an hourish radius, plus my current company is pretty great and I wanna stick around as long as it works out). So i know picking a permanent residence won’t hurt my opportunities.

        And in answer to your question: Good houses in this area go for 250-300k so I’m assuming I’d need 50-75k for a down payment??

  29. Michael C. says

    Financial Samurai, I enjoyed the post. However, I think the definition of Above Average Person is a little off with the claim that he or she “has little-to-no student loan debt due to scholarships and part-time work”. Huh? Whether or not a person has student loan debt has little to do with moral fiber and a lot to do with the side of the tracks on which they were born.

    In the comment section you said that you went to top-tier schools (W&M, Cal) and, as such, you should know that most people do not get a full scholarship–or even a 50% scholarship–to elite colleges and universities, particularly graduate programs (MBA), medical schools and law schools. Top schools don’t need to entice the choice candidates with scholarships; I promise you that Harvard Law is NOT giving full rides to everyone with a GPA above 3.7 and LSAT above 170 (that would be almost the entire class). The reason top universities are not handing out scholarships to every Mensa member is because they rely on paying students to remain solvent!!

    So if the Above Average Person has little-to-no student loan debt, how are they accomplishing this feat? Part-time work? The total 2014-2015 cost of attending Harvard College without financial aid is $58,607 for tuition, room, board and fees. The most amazing part-time, college student job in the world wouldn’t pay half of that amount!

    Here’s the reality–the overwhelming majority of people who graduate with no student loans from top-tier colleges and universities were able to do so because their family financed their education. And that’s ok. My gripe is that having family money doesn’t make anyone “Above Average”–it just means that you won the baby lottery.

    Wake up Financial Samurai. All of the characteristics of the “Above Average” person require them to affirmatively do something–to delay gratification, to reach a higher level of awareness, etc. But not this student loan nonsense. You are attributing a virtue/accomplishment to people who, more likely than not, did nothing to earn it.

    My brother and I both have multiple degrees from top tier schools. We had a variety of athletic and academic scholarships throughout and worked while undergrads (I worked in grad school as well)–and we still had to fill in the gap with student loans. At top-tier schools, part-time work and scholarships usually don’t come anywhere close to covering $50k+ per year in tuition, room, board and fees. Many of our friends and former classmates are your “Above Average” people who graduated with no student loans. And virtually none of them accomplished this feat on their own.

    One final nit–my brother and I are both in our late 30’s and have average net worths firmly within your Above Average person scale. Accumulating wealth has been slow and difficult; also, the wealth building process is not linear (for most people). Its more like a hockey stick. So your average net worth scale should probably be adjusted to reflect the 80% of us who didn’t get an economic head start from our family.

    • says

      Affirmatively do something… does working during the summers, or a part-time job, or applying for scholarships/grants not mean affirmatively doing something to reduce tuition?

      And who said the above average person does it all on their own. Above average people get a lot of help from their parents. They are in other words, LUCKIER than average. It is the person who is born on third, who things s/he hit a triple that society hates.

      Read: A Massive Generational Wealth Transfer Is Why Everything Will Be OK

      • Michael C. says

        Suggested additions to definition of “Above Average”:

        12) Above average people get a lot of financial assistance from their parents.

        13) Above Average are, in other words, LUCKIER than average.

  30. gabija says

    This was a great read! We are dual retired military. Our numbers have to go in very different columns — there was no TSP (401K ) in the military until about 2001 — so, we are heavy in the taxable accounts, the Roth accounts come next, and our TSP (tax deferred) accounts are small in comparison. We both maxed them as soon as they were available, but that was late in our career. In reality, for us that is best, because with our pensions, and considering the tax benefits of a good portion of our military active duty compensation, tax deferred is not our best long term option. For us, Roth is best.

  31. JK says

    Education: Less than 2 year attending community college (high school GPA 2.3)
    Age: 34
    Married – 2 kids

    Current net worth: ~$700,000
    • 401k and other retirement savings: $400,000
    • House equity (conservative): $125,000
    • Cash: $75,000
    • Other: $100,000
    • No debt (cars paid)

    Outside of items 1 and 11, the criteria above generally describes my professional and personal attributes. Obviously my lack of education limits most high paying opportunities, but with proper work ethic, good business sense, and the ability to market your strengths – anything is possible.

    Looking back, I completely understand the limited professional success I’ve accomplished is an anomaly and would not recommend this formula as a blueprint for anyone looking to maximize their inherent potential. My point is that there’s something to be said for an individual who (outside of formal education) relentlessly pursues financial stability.

  32. Patrick Veling says

    Of course grades matter. But so does the choice of one’s educational focus and degree.

    Getting high grades in technology or business school endeavors is different in today’s economic environment than getting high grades in social work. Some areas of enterprise are simply more financially rewarding than some others. It’s pretty clear that somebody can get mediocre grades in a high demand or high income specialty and do MUCH better than one who gets the highest grades in a career choice with little job growth prospects or demand.

    In my opinion, college-bound students are not counseled correctly regarding their choice of academic direction as it relates to their near and long-term job and income prospects.

  33. Ken says

    Perhaps I’m missing something, but isn’t this ignoring the debt on the home? Sure you can count equity in the house as an asset, but only if you count the remaining loan amount as a debt, right?

    • Mark says

      Hi Ken,

      It sounds like you may confuse market value with home equity…
      By definition, home equity takes into consideration the remaining loan amount.
      ie: house market value = $300k, mortgage balance = $200k, equity = $100k.


  34. Ken says

    I think grades matter in getting the next degree, but in relation to making money probably not for most people.
    It does matter to the individual however, in their understanding / mastery of the subject.

  35. Randy says

    Discussing your GPA relative to net worth is about as interesting as “Inflategate,” root canal surgery or the U.S. Tax Code. “Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune.” I left college with a degree, $70.00, one ugly suit and $1,000 in school loan debt. I currently have several paid-off commercial and multifamily properties. My college education provided a good foundation for success, but the “School of Hard Knocks” taught me more than I could ever learn in a classroom. This blog has placed more focus on GPA than it actually deserves. I’m more interesting in “how you got there” than “how you started.”


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