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How To Obtain A Zero Percent Mortgage To Live For Free

Updated: 06/28/2022 by Financial Samurai 71 Comments

Have you ever heard of a zero percent mortgage? Getting a zero percent is likely impossible, unless we are in a significant deflationary environment. You can have a negative real interest rate mortgage in a high inflationary environment.

However, getting to live for free, which is what a zero percent mortage means, is possible. Let me explain.

A Free Zero Percent Mortgage

Here is an example of how I was able to live for free for a couple of years. This is essentially like getting a zero percent mortgage.

After shopping around for various mortgage refinance rates when the 10-year bond yield collapsed to 1.6%, I locked in a 5/1 ARM at 2.375% with -0.125 points compared to my existing 2.625% rate. If my ARM resets today, my ARM would jump to 3.4% due to LIBOR, which is what I’m really hedging against by refinancing now.

A 2.375% 5/1 ARM essentially means I have a mortgage that is basically FREE every month because I can invest my money in a 12-month CD for 2.5%. In 2022, you can actually buy a 10-year Treasury bond yielding 2.8% now.

For example, with a $1M mortgage, I’m paying $23,750 a year in interest but would earn $24,200 a year in interest if I locked in a 5-year CD with the same principal borrowing amount today. In other words, my effective mortgage interest rate is negative.

Not everybody will have the capital to conduct such an arbitrage. That’s fine as it takes time to save a bed of cash. What’s more important as a borrower is to RECOGNIZE the existing arbitrage so that at the very least, you know you are getting a fantastic deal when such dislocations occur.

Terms Of An Adjustable Rate Mortgage

The below chart is a snapshot of my actual Adjustable Rate Mortgage (ARM) terms.

Adjustable Interest Rate Table Financial Samurai

This 5/1 ARM is tied to the one year LIBOR rate + a margin of 2.25%. At a total interest rate of 2.375% for the first five years, the bank only makes a margin of about 1.24% above LIBOR. The initial fixed rate periods of an ARM (1,3,5,7,10) are subsidized rates, which you should take advantage of before the ARM adjusts.

It’s similar to using a credit card to buy things for a 30-day interest free loan, just not as bad if you don’t pay your bill because credit card interest rates are usuriously high, while ARM mortgage rates are capped.

In the sixth year, the bank can raise my interest rate by as much as 2% to 4.375% fixed for the rest of the year, if LIBOR rises to 2.125%. My interest rate can rise by another 2% to 6.375% in year seven if LIBOR rises to 4.125%.

The maximum interest rate the bank can charge me is 7.375% starting in year 8 – 30, which is equivalent to LIBOR at 5.125% (5.125% + 2.25% margin = 7.375%).

ARM Is My Favorite Type Of Mortgage

As an ARM holder, you’ve really got to take a view on where short term interest rates (LIBOR, Fed Funds rate) and long term interest rates (10-year bond yield) are heading.

With evidence of deflation around the world, I do not see Central Bankers raising their overnight borrowing rates aggressively. Perhaps LIBOR could rise from 1.14% today to 2.125% in five years, but that would indicate healthy inflation, which would also portend to a healthy increase in property values. A mortgage interest rate of 4.375% is not that much at all.

Besides my belief that interest rates will continue to stay low for longer, another reason why I’m very sanguine about refinancing into another ARM is because in five years, my principal will be about 12% less if I don’t pay down extra principal. Therefore, I’ve got another buffer if rates do rise.

Why So Many Different Mortgage Rates?

The reason different financial institutions have different CD and deposit interest rates is because financial institutions all have different capital needs. Banks make money by attracting deposits, paying an interest rate on those deposits, and lending your money at a higher interest rate to make a spread.

My 2.375% 5/1 ARM is with Citibank. But when I go to see Citibank’s 5-year CD interest rate page, they show only 0.5%. This means Citibank is flush with cash and is in no need to attract more capital. They are probably over-capitalized and need to find ways to deploy their deposits to boost their earnings.

If you are a financial sector investor, an easy due diligence is to simply check the latest deposit and CD rates of various financial institutions. The higher the financial institution is paying, perhaps the more balance sheet risk there is. For example, before Washington Mutual got acquired for pennies on the dollar, they were offering 4-4.5%, 5-year CD rates even though the overall market averaged closer to 2%.

Now, the best CD rate is about 2% in 2022. Buying Treasury bonds today is a great way for homeowners to live for free as well. Treasury bonds are paying 2.8%, which is higher than many refinanced mortgages now.

Yield Curve 2018 versus past yield curves 2017, 2016
Short-term rates are rapidly equaling long-term rates

Related: Understanding Yield Curve: A Prescient Economic Indicator

Zero Percent Mortgage To Live For Fre

Your mission as a Financial Samurai is to BORROW from over-capitalized banks and LEND to under-capitalized banks.

Whenever you see CD interest rates pay more than mortgage rates with the same duration, you must take action by refinancing your debt. There’s no clearer sign that you are getting the best mortgage rate possible at the time.

With rates this low now, I wouldn’t be in a rush to pay down your mortgage unless you have tremendous excess liquidity or debt levels far beyond a comfortable level. Develop a system where a percentage of each dollar is used to build your risk-free fund, invest in the stock market, and pay down your highest interest rate debts.

With my latest mortgage refinance, I plan to live in my house mortgage payment fee by tethering my CD interest income of ~3% towards my new mortgage interest rate of 2.375%. Who said living in a city like San Francisco is expensive?

If you can wipe away your living costs, you can now free up a tremendous amount of cash flow to invest or do whatever your big heart desires. Now I’ve got to figure out how to eat well for free. Any suggestions?

Wealth Building Recommendations

1) Invest in real estate surgically.

Due to effectively zero percent mortgages, real estate is going to be strong. If you don’t have the downpayment to buy a property, don’t want to deal with the hassle of managing real estate, or don’t want to tie up your liquidity in physical real estate, take a look at Fundrise, one of the largest real estate crowdsourcing companies today.

Real estate is a key component of a diversified portfolio. Real estate crowdsourcing allows you to be more flexible in your real estate investments by investing beyond just where you live for the best returns possible. For example, cap rates are around 3% in San Francisco and New York City, but over 10% in the Midwest if you’re looking for strictly investing income returns.

Sign up and take a look at all the residential and commercial investment opportunities around the country Fundrise has to offer. It’s free to look. I’ve personally invested $810,000 in a private real estate fund to take advantage of lower valuations in the heartland of America.

Fundrise Due Diligence Funnel
Less than 5% of the real estate deals shown gets through the Fundrise funnel

2) Refinance your mortgage.

Shop around for the latest mortgage rate. Check the latest mortgage rates online. You’ll get real quotes from pre-vetted, qualified lenders in under three minutes. The more free mortgage rate quotes you can get, the better. This way, you feel confident knowing you’re getting the lowest rate for your situation. Further, you can make lenders compete for your business. 

A Zero Percent Mortgage To Live For Free is the best! It really is awesome homeowners have been able to take advantage of negative real mortgage rates since the pandemic began. Not only are homeowners living for free, homeowners are getting paid to live due to negative rates and real estate price appreciate. I believe the housing market will continue to stay strong.

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I spent 13 years working at Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse. In 1999, I earned my BA from William & Mary and in 2006, I received my MBA from UC Berkeley.

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Comments

  1. Untemplater says

    December 15, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    I”m focused on paying down my highest rate mortgage which is on my rental property because it’s not an easy one to refinance. Every bit counts and I’ve payed down extra principal several times this year already. I’ve never regretted paying down debt.

    Reply
  2. Michael Guido says

    March 17, 2020 at 9:46 pm

    I have refinanced a rental property at 4% and my house at the same time, it’s not my specialty but apparently I just made a deadline in 2013-2014 for refinancing rental properties at a lower rate. A month later I was told would be impossible to get under 6-7% but considering how much bank loan guidelines change you never know it’s worth calling a good broker especially in this environment.

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  3. Maryann Garza says

    March 31, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    What an interesting concept. Now all I need to do is locate the spare million or so dollars lying around. LOL!

    I actually came across this article because we may be doing a purchase of a property for a family member and they’ll finance it at 0%…so I was looking to see if a 0% personal loan was considered a gift per the IRS. I expect it is.

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  4. Scott Thomas says

    March 30, 2016 at 9:59 am

    Great website, great article! I just discovered your website and I’m slowly making my way through your articles …. great stuff, thanks for your contributions! I haven’t read all your mortgage and real estate articles yet, but I’ve read 2 of your articles which suggest refinancing a current ARM. Perhaps a dumb question, but would you also suggest people with a 30 year mortgage switch to an ARM? And if so, why a 5 year as opposed to a 7? Thank you very much for your thoughts!

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  5. stephen says

    March 3, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    I really like your blog posts, but sometimes I notice varying positions and recommendations. For instance you have some posts which recommend to pay off your mortgage slowly but surely as you did with your investment properties. But this post is stating otherwise, “With rates this low now, I wouldn’t be in a rush to pay down your mortgage unless you have tremendous excess liquidity or debt levels far beyond a comfortable level.” I;m a little thrown off, but really appreciate all of your articles in general.

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    • Financial Samurai says

      March 3, 2016 at 9:18 pm

      Situations change. If it’s going to be tough going over the next two years with mass layoffs, hard to come by corporate profits, declining property values, and a weak stock market, paying off a mortgage INCREASE FINANCIAL RISK due to less liquidity.

      Rates are back down to record lows and not all is good in the economy now. We go in 7-10 year cycles. We are in year 7. Do not expect great returns for the next couple years.

      Overall, I recommend folks pay down their mortgage by the time they retire. Add to principal pay down during good times or when you have excess liquidity. Slowdown during bad times. But if you are already liquid in bad times, feel free to pay down extra principal to lock in a guaranteed return, rather than hold cash earning nothing or lose money in the market. With a PMI mortgage, the mortgage will eventually be paid off. But you must adjust the rate of EXTRA paydown depending on market conditions.

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      • Stephen says

        March 4, 2016 at 6:32 am

        Great response- really appreciate it!

        Reply
  6. Tom says

    March 2, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    House is paid off, but eating for free – haven’t achieved that one. Although eating at parents (or friends) places can be free in some ways (but has other costs – and many benefits).

    Reply
  7. JIm says

    February 27, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    You mentioned how WAMU was offering 4-4.5% before they were acquired. I remember that time. People were running to the bank pulling their money. I thought: It’s FDIC insured right? I dropped 100k in and got a 5% return for a one year CD. If that was only the case today.

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 27, 2016 at 10:50 pm

      Was it 5%? Man, that woulda been nice.

      Reply
  8. ARB says

    February 27, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    This is the closest we’re ever going to see to free money.

    If you’re looking for higher CD rates, the online banks are always going to be the place to go. Whether it’s a high or low rate environment, they’ll always have higher rates because they don’t have an extensive branch network eating away literally half their operating costs.

    Regardless, if you ever see a bank offering deposit and CD rates that are too good to be true, it’s because they ARE. Besides the fact that those wonderful CD rates will only last a year or so, the bank’s capitalization needs may be more dire than you think. I’m not saying that the bank is about to go under, but it might be in more trouble than you think.

    Again, another great article about mortgage refinance. As long as the Fed (and stock and bond investors) is shaky at even the IDEA of rate increases, those loan rates will stay low and the ARM will be the way to go.

    Sincerely,
    ARB–Angry Retail Banker

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  9. Willow says

    February 26, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    I have a $425,000 ARM that adjusts every year based on the weekly average of the US treasury. My margin is 2.75 and currently the rate is 3% and will most likely go up to 3.375% when it adjusts in May. It’s a rental so I can’t imagine getting a better rate. Also, it’s an old WAMU mortgage so I’d hate to let it go! It’s actually been a great product but the lifetime cap is 9.5% which is crazy high. I’ll most likely sell in 4-5 years. 7K in closing costs is hard to swallow also. Any ideas?

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 27, 2016 at 8:33 am

      If you will sell in 4-5 years, then I wouldn’t refinance at your rate. How long have you had the ARM? Make sure the $7K closing cost DOESN’T include the mortgage interest and property taxes you would have to pay anyway. A lot of people get confused by high closing costs.

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      • Willow says

        February 28, 2016 at 6:45 pm

        18 years left. I think I will put 7K down to principal reduction. It’s also really hard to get financing for rental property.

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  10. Jon says

    February 25, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    You failed to mention (or maybe I missed it) that if that’s your main residence you should be able to deduct that interest on your taxes somewhat increasing that arbitrage profit! Congrats!

    Reply
    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 9:26 pm

      It’s pretty much a wash, since you have to pay regular income taxes on the CD interest income.

      Reply
  11. Shaun says

    February 25, 2016 at 11:32 am

    I love this concept, although I’m not quite sure I would call it arbitrage – to me arbitrage implies taking advantage of discrepancies in the same market, but I can see the argument that mortgages and CDs are really the same market, namely banking. Never thought to apply it to a home mortgage though. I think I tended to believe that would require too much of a big chunk of capital. However, this is EXACTLY my plan for buying a Tesla Model S eventually. My plan is to save enough money so that when I invest it, my income will cover my car payment. My interest spread will be a bit wider than your mortgage spread – I’m looking at an 8% investment ROI and a 2.5% to 3% car loan. I’m blogging my progress towards this at my blog roadtoatesla.blogspot.com. Currently, I’m approaching 20% of my goal.

    Come to think of it, I do make arbitrage plays as well. I borrow from my HELOC and invest at a higher rate than my HELOC charges and pocket the difference. Let me stress this isn’t for everyone and does carry some risk if what you are investing in isn’t a safe investment….

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      Are you saying you’d like to create a mid-life crisis car fund? :) https://www.financialsamurai.com/the-best-mid-life-crisis-cars-to-buy/

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    • Nuclear Real Estate says

      February 25, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      Funny, I think the same way with my car. I could have payed $24k cash when I bought it, but instead financed at 1.9% interest, and used the cash to buy a rental property which cash flows more than enough to cover the car payment.

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      • MoneySheep says

        February 25, 2016 at 2:59 pm

        Looking at returns only, it is a good move. But the risks are not equal.

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  12. Midwestern Landlord says

    February 25, 2016 at 9:59 am

    That ARM rate that you locked in Sam is very attractive, no doubt about that.

    I just see things differently particularly in my situation. I have all 30 year fixed loans between 3.375% and 4%. This includes rental property and my primary residence.

    I don’t have to touch these loans again and will not incur any points or closing cost ever again. The 30 years fixed to me is a valuable financial instrument that will serve me well into the future. I have no current plans to ever pay ahead of schedule on these loans or refinance.

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 10:56 am

      That’s totally fine if you are happy with a 30 year loan at those rates.

      For me and others, it’s hard to stomach paying a 4% interest rate with the 10-year bond yield is at 1.7%, and a 5/1 ARM is at 2.5% or less. That’s a huge spread in a declining interest rate environment. Just look at the 10-year bond yield for the past 35 years.

      Also, a lot of folks do not plan to hold onto a mortgage for 30 years due to the massive interest accumulation expense and the likelihood we’ll all be wealthier 5, 10, 15 years from now.

      Do you plan to keep your mortgage for 30 years?

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      • Midwestern Landlord says

        February 25, 2016 at 11:51 am

        Yes I do plan to hold onto these properties for the long term. They are class A properties in good neighborhoods. Rental income is my game so I am going to let them work for me.

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  13. S says

    February 25, 2016 at 8:34 am

    Anyone having luck in refinancing rental properties? I have two: (1) balance of $150,000 at 5.5% and (2) balance of $240 at 4.75%. I’ve looked at refinancing both, but while I could lower my rates and payments – though also extend the life of the loan – the options just haven’t been appealing enough to make the change. I’ve found it hard to get much better than a 4 – 4.5% rate on a rental property, even at an ARM. Maybe I am looking at the wrong institutions.

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 11:03 am

      Rental properties are generally 0.25% higher than primary.

      See: Why Are Rental Property Mortgages Rates Higher Than Primary Mortgage Rates

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      • S says

        February 25, 2016 at 4:02 pm

        Hmm. That is not what I am finding. I am seeing rentals being 1-2% above primary. As I said, perhaps I looking to the wrong institutions. But I have shopped around. Haven’t found anything below a 4%, even for an ARM. According to you, I should be able to find about a 3% ARM for a rental.

        I’ll keep checking.

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  14. Tim says

    February 25, 2016 at 7:50 am

    Sam, where did you get that killer 5/1 ARM deal? I cannot seem to find anything remotely around that rate.

    Reply
    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 11:02 am

      I got an e-mail commitment w/ Chase, and then Citibank matched/beat it. I’ve got an upcoming post about reducing mortgage fees you should read that has more.

      Reply
  15. Reepekg says

    February 25, 2016 at 7:43 am

    “Now I’ve got to figure out how to eat well for free. Any suggestions?”

    Step 1) Put seeds in ground.
    Step 2) Wait.
    Step 3) Eat the things that grow.

    I’m no urban farmer, but even just the tomatoes and bell peppers I grow on my fire escape are tasty, healthy, and pretty much free. Get out of that Uber car and hustle for your food. If you have a normal American-sized lawn, you could eat pretty well on a victory garden or similar. Plain vegetables are probably better for you than a lot of the stuff you find in the supermarket, anyway.

    Reply
    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 8:33 am

      Maybe lose some weight too, since everybody is overweight in America? Why don’t more people do this? What about maintenance, pests, and the water bill?

      Reply
  16. Jim Wang says

    February 25, 2016 at 4:30 am

    Love this article because I love arbitrage whenever it’s available – most people don’t think of banks are over and under capitalized and treat them all like one massive conglomerate. Take advantage of their short term needs!

    Reply
    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 11:01 am

      Thanks. I hope people see this article as a way of thinking about how much they are paying in interest, and how everything is related in the finance world.

      Reply
  17. Untemplater says

    February 24, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    Refinancing is not a fun process by any means, but it can really be worth it for the savings. It takes a lot of time but if you stay organized about it that helps a lot. I feel like the underwriters tend to ask for the same documents over and over again because they can’t keep track of stuff, so if you have all your files handy it makes things easier so you can quickly resend something if needed. Best of luck with your refi!

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  18. Jack says

    February 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    Thanks for the heads up, Sam. I haven’t been paying attention to CD rates lately. My local banks seem to all be <1%. I hadn't realized there were institutions with the greater rates. 5 years is still a long time to lock up money for just 2.4%, but it beats 0.5% or less…

    Do you have any experience with Melrose Credit Union or ELOAN? I don't see them mentioned anywhere else on your site.

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    • David S says

      February 24, 2016 at 7:35 pm

      If the bank is FDIC insured (or the credit union alternative) it likely doesn’t matter if it’s run by Charles Schwab or Charles Ponzi for your purposes.

      It’s important to recognize that your money really isn’t tied up any longer than the penalty period. Here’s an article that’s informative: https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-TOTALB-2439

      (Yes, I nerd out on this stuff.)

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  19. Ryan says

    February 24, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    I voted other. I’m surprised “I don’t have a mortgage” is not a voting option. I would refi at current rates though, since I don’t think retail rates are going negative.

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 11:01 am

      Good thing there is an “other” catch all option!

      Reply
  20. Tracy says

    February 24, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    Interesting concept. I just started lending out money like becoming a bank and getting a good fixed rate back, but it involves risk of course.

    Are certificates of deposit similar to GICs in Canada? I’m curious what is a comparable product to CDs in Canada, any one from Canada knows? GICs are ‘guaranteed’ in Canada backed by government…but they are barely at 2percent, I haven’t found anything…

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 11:00 am

      If the GICs are guaranteed $250,000 per individual and $500,000 per married couple and provide a guaranteed interest rate, they are!

      Reply
  21. seattlemike says

    February 24, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    dear all:

    instead of asking sam “if i have loan A @ 15 years @ XYZ%, should i refi?”, try doing some math. take total closing costs / monthly savings and that gives you the # of months until you break even. then, ask yourself if you’re going to be in your house in that # of months.

    question solved.

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  22. Ron says

    February 24, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    Borrowing money form a bank to essentially buy a CD yielding about the same as your bank loans seems like an over-complication of your life and financial situation. I would recommend simply paying off your mortgage if you have the funds and then use your excess monthly cash-flow to dollar cost average investments in equities or other investments.

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 24, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      Don’t forget the importance of liquidity. You would be a fool to pay off a $1M mortgage with $1M in cash and have nothing left over as a buffer, or money used to take advantage of investment opportunities.

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      • brad says

        February 24, 2016 at 6:07 pm

        A 5 year CD is liquid…but there is a penalty, maybe 6 months interest? So you lose 1.2% of principal? I guess it makes sense if a really good opportunity arises but that is almost speculation. I appreciate the insight nevertheless.

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        • David S says

          February 24, 2016 at 6:59 pm

          How do you figure you lose 1.2% principle? Keep it at least 7 months and you make something.

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        • Financial Samurai says

          February 25, 2016 at 10:58 am

          If your CD pays 2.4% interest a year, and they penalize you six months worth of interest, then your penalty is 0% if hold for six months.

          It is very rate someone would lock in a LT CD and then need to withdraw early since there should be other liquid funds at one’s disposal.

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          • Dan says

            February 25, 2016 at 3:11 pm

            why penalty is 0% if hold for six months?

            Reply
            • Financial Samurai says

              February 25, 2016 at 3:21 pm

              Because you earned 6 months of interest…

              Reply
      • Ron says

        February 25, 2016 at 6:50 am

        I don’t know. Borrowing money from a bank to invest in CDs seems like a long-term losing proposition. Debt free life-style and excess cash-flow due to no debt is the ideal situation and the one people should strive for. That’s simply my opinion on finances and how I live.

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        • Financial Samurai says

          February 25, 2016 at 11:00 am

          You borrow from the bank to buy real estate, not to invest in CDs.

          The CD interest rate is a marker for you to see how good of a rate you are going. You should invest in the CD with your own money, not borrowed money, unless you can borrow at less than the CD rate and lock in another arb.

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          • Ron says

            February 25, 2016 at 12:47 pm

            If you have $1 million in mortgage debt and $1 million in CDs, you effectively have a $1 million mortgage financing your investment in CDs. You can afford the house without the debt. You can’t afford the house and the CDs without the debt. Although you may not want to admit it, you have borrowed $1 million to have $1 million invested in CDs.

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            • Financial Samurai says

              February 25, 2016 at 1:07 pm

              Sure, if you want to tether your CD income to your mortgage. Or, you can tether your CD income to paying for food, retirement, etc.

              Living for free feels incredible, especially in a city like San Francisco.

              Just never forget your liquidity needs.

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  23. Matt says

    February 24, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    Sam,

    I just bought a house last October with a 3.5% 5/1 ARM. Is refinancing so soon after purchase a bad idea if I can get a sub 3% rate?

    Reply
    • Rob says

      February 27, 2016 at 6:23 am

      Certainly not if you can get it for little/no out of pocket expense.

      Reply
    • Financial Samurai says

      February 27, 2016 at 8:31 am

      I’m seeing 2.5% for 5/1 ARMs right now. 1% is a HUGE spread on a like-for-like product. Just check the fees. I would refinance in a heartbeat. Make sure you get competing bids in writing/email so you can have your bank match or beat.

      Reply
  24. A says

    February 24, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Also, how were you able to get a 5/1 ARM rate at 2.375% if your quote was LIBOR+2.25%? With LIBOR at 1.14, your rate should be 3.39%.

    How do you negotiate a lower rate? I am currently trying to refi and i was quoted 3.4% so very interested in how you are able to get such a rate.

    Reply
    • Financial Samurai says

      February 24, 2016 at 3:32 pm

      The initial fixed period of an ARM (1,3,5,7,10) are incentive rates. My rate would be 3.39% if my ARM with a 2.25% margin adjusts today. But like I said, I’m not going to let it adjust. I’m going to refinance it. Refinancing rates for ARMs are more contingent on the 10-year bond yield which has collapsed.

      Please have a good read of this article to explain more: Why Everybody With An ARM Must Refinance Today

      I just finished up a new post on how to pay the lowest fees possible when getting a mortgage. Stay tuned.

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      • A says

        February 24, 2016 at 3:52 pm

        I guess the follow-up question would be, how do you negotiate the incentive rate? I just received a jumbo 5/1 quote of 3.4% and would love to know what to say to get the incentive rates!

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      • Rob says

        February 27, 2016 at 6:23 am

        My area (NC/SC) has seen ARM rates go up recently. In fact, gap between 30 yr fixed and a 5 yr ARM on apples to apples in fees is only 50 bps. Quite strange. I was seeing 5 yr arms as low as 2.625% here a few weeks ago but most are ~3% now and I’m seeing 30 yr fixed at 3.375%

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  25. Sam says

    February 24, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    I have often thought about your kind of plan, but in these volatile times – An under capitalized bank that is offering 2.4% on a 5 year CD is more likely to go under in the next five years than the over capitalized one. Unless you stay within the FDIC limit you could be risking all your capital. What are your thoughts.?

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    • David S says

      February 24, 2016 at 4:14 pm

      If you are married you can accumulate $1MM worth of FDIC insured CDs at one bank without doing really anything more than just the most basic planning. If you have kids, even more. If you are single, then just do $250,000 worth at a few different banks. Many of the online banks are within spitting distance of each other on their published 5 year CD rates.

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      • Sam says

        February 24, 2016 at 5:24 pm

        Can you suggest 4 banks that are paying 2.4% on a 250K deposit. I am unable to find them.

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        • David S says

          February 24, 2016 at 6:47 pm

          I would call anything 2% or better very favorable in today’s world. Synchrony, Discover, Amex, and Ally all fit the bill.

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      • Rob says

        February 27, 2016 at 5:34 am

        Personally, I prefer to setup a separate trading account of high quality dividend paying stocks than CDs at these rates. Yes, I know they have principal risk, but in the case of a lot of companies, the principal risk is very short term (eg: P&G), and the dividends have 50+ years of history of increasing and pay a lot more than CDs do..and you should over time get appreciation..and if not, you should still be getting that div yield.

        Just diversify the account and invest in companies with a really long history of div and div increases.

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  26. John C @ Action Economics says

    February 24, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    I’m still attracted to being completely debt free, but I love the angle. I’ve never really considered CDs as an invstment and I had no idea they varied so widely from bank to bank. I have something similar going on with my rental house, that I am not paying extra on. I have a 10 year mortgage at just a tad over 3%, and my credit union pays 3% interest on our checking account on balances up to $15K. The mortgage is only in the mid 20s so its almost a wash. The concept is similar, but the numbers involved are trivial compared to a $1 Million loan.

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    • David S says

      February 24, 2016 at 4:08 pm

      Smarter people that me argue convincingly that–given the internet’s ability to track down the best rates–non-brokered bank CDs are an excellent replacement for bonds (the safe kind) in an investor’s portfolio. There is a PITA factor that can’t be ignored with “bond-style” CD investing, but Sam’s results speak for themselves. Plus, rates go lower, just pat yourself on the bank and hold on to your 5 year CDs at better rates than are currently being offered. Rates go higher and, once it makes sense, break the current CD and reinvest in a new CD at the new, higher rate.

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  27. A says

    February 24, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    How do you keep your closing costs reasonable (in another article i beleive you said you get charged around $3000)? Every time I refinance, I get charged anywhere from $5000-7000.

    Thanks

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    • Financial Samurai says

      February 25, 2016 at 10:56 am

      Article coming up just for you! Stay tuned.

      Reply
      • David says

        February 25, 2016 at 9:35 pm

        Sam– Thanks for another great article.

        In the upcoming article you mention regarding closing costs, maybe you can tie in some advice on home buying. I am in the process of looking to purchase a home for the first time and hope to close on one sometime within the next six months. I (think) I have a pretty helpful real estate agent, but being a first time home buyer, I am sure I am not aware of traps to be weary of etc. Since you have been through the home buying experience several times, your advice would be invaluable!

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        • Financial Samurai says

          February 25, 2016 at 10:17 pm

          Hi David,

          You may enjoy this post: How To Correctly Value And Analyze Investment Property

          Also check out my entire Real Estate Category archive! Don’t be afraid to walk away from any deal. There’s always another property that comes up.

          S

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          • David says

            February 25, 2016 at 11:16 pm

            I must have missed these before — Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

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  28. SavvyFinancialLatina says

    February 24, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    Do you think it’s worth to look at refinancing if I have a 3.48% 15 YR mortgage (less than 13 years to pay off mortgage)?

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