Men are dogs. If you give us an inch, we’ll take a mile. But, if you put us on a leash, we’ll gnaw it off and go even more crazy once we’re free. There’s a fine balance between loving your man and smothering your man. The question some people have is: why do women go out with deadbeat losers?
There are countless posts online where women complain about their deadbeat boyfriends for never paying for anything, never buying them gifts, always playing video games all day long while still living at home in their parent’s basement, and never holding on to a job for more than a year to save their lives.
Yet, these women still latch on, hoping they’ll one day change their man for the better.
It’s just so weird that with a male world population of 3.5+ billion, a woman would settle for a deadbeat loser. Then agin, deadbeat losers are everywhere.
Reasons Why Women Go Out With Deadbeat Losers
Settling for a deadbeat loser is like settling for a job you hate. There are way too many people who hate their jobs and keep on doing them, just like there are way too many women who settle for men who treat them poorly.
What is it about non-ideal situations which makes us keep carrying on, doing nothing to change? If you hate your job, get laid with a nice severance check in hand!
My theory is that in the beginning, most women don’t know the guy is a deadbeat loser. He probably is reasonably attractive and tells a good story about his current situation and his ambitions. Obviously, he will be on his best behavior during the wooing process.
It might take one week, or it might take many months. But until a consummation is made, guys can be very charming! By the time a woman hooks up with the guy, only afterward will she see his true colors.
Her “oh, shit” moment comes at a time after she’s given everything to him. As we are generally all optimists, a woman believes she can salvage the relationship and change him for the better. Unfortunately, no matter how hard she tries, she can’t teach a gorilla how to put down the toilet seat, pay for dinner, and write her sweet notes of nothing.
It’s too late, and eventually, the relationship fades. In retrospect, every woman who has gone out with a deadbeat loser realizes the case. “I don’t know what I was thinking“, is a phrase that always comes up.
Why Women Settle For Deadbeat Losers
1) We don’t believe we are worthy.
Above all else, I believe that the reason why we settle for someone suboptimal is because we believe we aren’t deserving of more. This is utterly disappointing and ludicrous. You don’t deserve to be mistreated or taken advantage of ever! You deserve to have someone love you back as much as you love them.
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2) We’re afraid to be alone.
Life isn’t worth living if there’s nobody special to share it with. I’d rather be a median waged person with a loved one than be a lonely billionaire in the long run. It’s irrational to think that you will die alone given the population of the world today. Every day, we have the opportunity to meet a hundred people if we want to. It just takes initiative.
3) We think we can teach a dog how to speak.
If there are five “must haves” such as humor, compassion, motivation, spontaneous, cultured and he has three out of five, the temptation is to settle. Perhaps over time, you believe he’ll be able to develop the other two must haves and be that ideal guy.
You’ll be able to change him for the better, which is hardly ever the case. The problem with this thought process is that he might actually lose one of the three must haves, and then you’re really going to feel bitter for wasting your precious youth on him!
4) We’re afraid to get hurt.
If we never try meeting other people, we will never get rejected. It’s truly disheartening when someone else doesn’t show you the same interest as you’ve shown them. Guys get rejected left and right because for some reason, society has told us we always have to initiate.
Rejection doesn’t get that much easier to deal with after a while. Instead, we settle for what we have or just being a lone. That’s sad, because time isn’t on our side. The older women get, the smaller the pool since women refuse to be with men younger than them, whereas it’s everything goes for guys!
5) We’re losers ourselves!
I never thought about this until readers kept on mentioning that deadbeat women tend to go out with deadbeat men. Society always sees men as losers, and women as misguided. I guess there is equality for all, after all! Read the 175+ comments so far on this post with fascinating perspective from both men and women.
“All The Good Men Are Always Taken”
One of the best excuses women tell me for not wanting to be with an attractive guy who has all she wants is that she’s afraid she won’t be able to hang on to him. She’s afraid other women will be all over him, which will seriously stress her out. She’s also afraid as she grows older, he’ll stop wanting to be with her. Deadbeat losers don’t change much.
But here’s the thing ladies. Men’s libido’s decline the older we get. It’s the friendship that we cherish more of, not the sexual activities, the older we get.
Not wanting to be with the hottest and nicest woman possible is hard for men to understand. We men think that it is better to have love and lost than to have never loved at all. Guys also love it when their woman gets all the attention from other guys.
I guess it’s because guys ignorantly believe their women will never cheat on them. Of course, we all know women cheat on men as much as men cheat on women.
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Because to really understand someone it takes time and let’s face it women are not perceptive they are taught by society these things selective qualities mean it’s a good thing. No women ever goes down to the nitty gritty and ask themselves hey does this make sense on a psychological level they just jump to stereotyping. Men do things for reason and that’s all image. The guy that puts on the gym time and looks at himself while he’s flexing doesn’t care about who u are he’s trying to get what he wants which isn’t even remotely close to who u are on the inside. Pleasure distracts. I’m sorry to say this but social media and the sht u see on TV isn’t supposed to teach u a damn about happy endings or compatibility. it just sells tickets…. U wanna good man look for a man that loves others and cares enough to put others ahead of himself not some punk whose putting all his attention on trying to prove he’s worthy. That’s what scams are. Women are the prime target for pyramid scheme and marketing because they use their emotions to decide on what they want which is easily manipulated. True beauty isnt skin deep stop slapping on make up and wearing thongs and pushup bras… The truth hurts and the guy that loves u will tell u wat u need to hear… The guy that eggs u on and pushes ur buttons to get u to do what he wants doesn’t. He just cares about his needs. Bad men aren’t bad they just have their own agenda and they don’t give a sht about who u are for u. How can u expect someone to know u if u won’t show urself. Flaws arent a bad thing they are the whole picture stop trying to be perfect ur not giving ppl a chance to even see u for the real u. U want someone that loves I for ur true beauty try spending a year connecting with someone on a deeper level…. Our body’s are just shells and as long as we use that as a way judging others and ourselves we will always be disappointed. Chances are u have clue to who he is and he has no clue to who u are and that’s because the whole dating approach doesnt give shts… It was sht that’s easy and prioritizes instagratification. For a starter stop putting out… If he can’t love u without the sex clearly he doesn’t like u for u. I’m sorry but that’s the bottom line. If u have a real best friend I know what I mean
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This was an incredible straight edge knife cutting straight to the issue and addresses the condition directly while pulling no punches. marvelous comment.
Because.
Some women have no self esteem.
So they settle for a dollar bill, a
Little fat le man.
One thing I would never tolerate!
As a man, here’s a viable solution to this whole dating thing: don’t date! Make your money and live your life, and go for one-night stands (always wear a condom). If a decent woman comes along, maybe date her. But don’t waste your time on women, since most can offer little more than what’s between their legs. IMHO and experience.
Maybe the villainous dead beat loser maligned in the article has something really amazing between his legs and is skilled at using it. The article didn’t even go there. If he’s that good in bed, that could definitely be an answer to this article’s titular question.
LOL. You nailed it.
Money Over Women, You certainly nailed it.
Most women nowadays are very complicated as it is, very stuck up, have mental problems, Curse at many of us single men for no reason when we will try to start a conversation with them, real narcissists, gold diggers, and that list just keeps on growing. I am a good looking man that keeps in great shape, and i have a very good personality as well. And i still have trouble meet a good woman today, which i will never understand at all.
Only in America buddy. I’ve met women from Japan and Vietnam and Germany that really know how to treat a man. If she likes you she shows it not like the self centered dykes we have in the USA. Women are told since a young age that they are princesses and deserve it all. When they finally enter the real world they are no longer the Princess of the house and most women, these days feel that they can do just as good as a man, which unfortunately for them is not true. Men are more resilient and able to understand that they are not the King of the land. Unlike most women who hold on to illusions of her Royalty. Pathetic. It’s a codependent psychosis at best mitigated by the dream and perpetual searching for the grass that is greener that will eventually just die because you’ve trampled all over the lawn.
Women over there are a lot more normal compared to America that has the worst low life loser women nowadays over here unfortunately, which most of them really are since they’re very rude, nasty, narcissistic feminists as well.
Jahn, American women are pieces of garbage the way that i look at it, compared to most of the women back in the past that were the very complete opposite of today and real ladies as well. Most of these women today are either gay or bi to begin with, and never straight at all.
You know what’s crazy too? Now, women are complaining about something that has been called “golden penis syndrome.” Since men only make up 40% of college graduates now, women are complaining that men are lazy, don’t put much effort into dating or their own appearance, etc. Also, in Manhattan women say it is even worse, because the ratio of college educated men to women is exacerbated since 9–12% of men in Manhattan are gay… Funny thing about this is… the feminists caused all of these to happen and it’s all backfiring on them now.
Feminism is much worse than cancer that is caused by these pieces of garbage women, for which there is no cure for this very horrible disease either.
Maybe your good looking man in great shape with a very good personality is loving himself more that it seems you could love anyone else… Jus Sayin’
Said Wendy the idiot herself.
There’s a lot of people of both genders who are complicated, stuck up, and have mental problems (I’m a female and my mom regularly accuses me of finding men with mental problems sexier and more attractive than those who don’t). Admittedly, when I was married I was uptight and strange and progressively less and less happy. As a woman, I think the ladies who curse and get rude/unpleasant with men who approach them, she’s insecure and possibly thinking, I’m going to reject him before he rejects me. Maybe you need to reassess the places and change the places you go if you are only meeting hostile frustrating ladies there.
Most women i would say though back in the past which it was never ever about looks and wealth when looking for a guy to have a very serious relationship with, and now they want the money making men with the very big bank accounts with the 6 pack abs since a great deal of women nowadays as it is are very high maintenance and narcissists too. Very pathetic dumb women nowadays that lack a lot of intelligence and have no manners and personality at all either when it comes to many of us single guys looking to very seriously trying to find love today. And the very sad thing for many of us guys is that there aren’t really any good places to go to meet a good woman today that can just accept us for who we really are even though we aren’t rich.
Katzilla, There are really no places for many of us single guys to go to meet a good woman today at all unfortunately.
A chunk of this article is complete b.s. Women want a challenge. Point blank period. They also, deep down lust for pain and abuse to varying degrees (some want a little, others want a shitton). Why do you think so many like the get spanked, chocked, etc. in bed? The challenge is a form of abuse. Some women chase after guys who beat em (this is why some stick around or go back after “leaving” because this is what the wanted but will never admit to it). Others are genuinely stuck and tryna get out. They also chase after the dude who looks like he either gets a lot of “wet- wet” regardless if he is good in bed or not or the guy who looks like he is so good in bed he will turn her out. Thats it.
At minimum a guy who is getting laid consistently by different women who is a bit of a challange is gonna get some sexual and some women
At most a guy who is the sh1t in bed and will always keep her on her toes because he is that much of a challenge to her and roughs her up a little (not necessarily in a harmful way, but rustles her leaves to keep some form of friction or “drama” going in their “relationship”) is gonna have women slickly or even some brazenly tryna give him the panties. Plenty will say this that and the third but actions speak louder than words. Most will never reveal how they feel or what they do in the dark…EVER!
“Guys also love it when their woman gets all the attention from other guys”
NO. NO. NO.
i have no problem if a man shows interest for my girl (it s not that i like it neither) BUT I DO CARE if my girl gives that attention back… then i got some problems with my girl, the third person got nothing to do with me
i wont stop a guy from showing his interest to my girl. that s normal.
but i will stop dating her if she falls for another man/girl. thats obvious
“My theory is that in the beginning, most women don’t know the guy is a deadbeat loser.”
CMOOONNNNN, that could happen to 1 in 1.000.000
but MOSTLY girls choose deadbeat man for many reasons:
she is the same or worst than him
she cant take a better man
she fall for the looks
she is afraid to be alone and has not secured a better man yet
(some girls try and fix a man, but those are the minority if they are dating a deadbeat man
most girls “Trying to fix” a man.. are girls that are datin a succesful man that cheats on them and is not afraid to be with many girls as possible. MANY GIRLS PREFER TO SHARE A TOP GUY THAN TO SETTLE FOR A NORMAL GUY)
“Settling is such a weak thing to do. It screams of insecurity. You have the right to be happy because someone out there will truly value who you really are!”
yeah, with super high standards and HIGH ego yeah.. lowering them sounds like weakness
right?
JUST STOP CHOOSING IMPOSSIBLES if u are a normal girl and u happened to catch the best man out there.. CARE FOR HIM cause he can choose any other girl if he wants (if u think that u are at the same level or stop giving him what he needs he will dump u)
girls from the 2021 dont want to be with a guy at their same level and grow a couple from there.. they want the succesful man to love them..
the probability of finding that man is scarce and MOST woman wont.
Toxic women go with Toxic men most of the time.
You are truly right
Too many women are too caught up in the knight in shining armor image of men. After all, how can a guy protect a woman and her kids unless he is perfect?? Truth is that 1 in 8 men according to RAINN are sexually abused in the the United States, and others suffer horrific trauma as kids. A counselor is not going to cure all these problems. A guy needs a romantic woman to be able to listen to him, understand him, and make an attempt to assist him in a way that will not detract from her own growth as a lady.
Good and helpful insight here. Real communication, human to human, rather than sex- stereotyping and blaming.
what hurts me the most is male victims aren’t taken seriously,and it’s sickening and heartbreaking to say the least.
Conversely, females can point the finger and the accused is considered guilty before evidence is provided. I am a liberal woman and I declare this is illogical and unjust. The Salem witch trials were this sort of lunacy.
Oh please, America has become an ultra-conservative society. The word rape is so foreign to them that the courts around the country turned a blind eye. Have you heard the expression “2 steps forward 1 step back”? That’s what’s happening in our legal system here in America.
Rape as a criminal charge against a female first count most likely carries 10 to 20 years yeah I’ll compare that to a child molest station charge which would usually fall under you indecent deviant sexual intercourse on a minor average 5 to 20 years so you tell me why if your adult raves of female adult he gets more time than raping a minor how does that make sense not in all cases but I myself have been leave convicted felon and incarcerated for 14 years and I’m done several Terms to acquire the number 14 however you see it all and I believe the reason that we you’re so lenient on child molesters compared to adult rapists is because that we got this notion that oh they got a mental disorder no they don’t have a on this order well they do mean that with anybody who is attracted to a child has got a mental disorder and in my opinion it’s their preference kind of like homosexuality in my opinion it’s also a mental disorder however it’s their preference and that is why ciao molesters reoffend compared to the rapist so that’s all I got to say before you start speaking maybe you should know A little bit of the inside scoop instead of listening to CNN and I was that Mitu movement has done is open the door for false accusations
yes but not all “Felons of Minor Dievant Sex” Are Actually Child Sex Offenders! Sometimes they could have just turned 18 and been with someone 4 years young and they’d still be looked at as a child molester! I know someone who got put in prison for this and He is NO Child Molester! But Now He can’t be around other kids, or kid areas, and all this stupid stuff. He is attracted to adult mostly adult men, not kids! But people will forever look at him as a child molester! Mean while real child molesters sometimes end up getting the least worst sentences which is very odd anyways. Referring to another sex offender I knew. The least sex offender got a even worse charge then the “Bad Sex offender did”. Bizarre, just because it was “Homosexual”. So some how butt sex with someone close to your age is some how worse then a 20 year old having sex with little girls. Kind of bizarre. Anyways the system doesn;t always charge accurately in my opinion. As he is charged as the worst criminal ever, and he would never murder or steal or do anything dangerous to anyone. Other then being flighty at time and some other stuff that non criminals get involved in, he really isn’t in my opinion a true criminal but here he is charged like a murder? Yes People often treat sex offenders worse then murders, and not all but most sex offenders are often the most harmless humans in every other way, so they make them work in the back of kitchens and janitor, exactly where they can continue to molest others, if you really want to stop sexual abuse from a sex offender just put them in the middle of public give them something to do to focus and feel proud of, as not like most sex offenders would touch someone in the middle of 20 other costumers, like come on.
Our justice system has lost it site,focus, empathy,everything. Only thing that’s going to revive that and this country is shit can everything and follow the Constitution! Like now!!! Drop everything for 3 days and post,read,and follow it. Then you will see what I do then get a Gideon Bible and go to the index look up injustice,pride,prejudice,etc, it even gives you the solution. And later the court yard or court rm has to be in the church. Only way will be judged properly and see what 2-8 percent of us so called losers, deadbeats,who gave ven
MEN ARE DOGS LMAO
TO WRITE AND START THIS TO HELP GIRLS ABOUT GUYS I THINK IT WAS WRITTEN BY 5 LESBIANS WHO ARE WHITE SUPREMACIST AND ALSO MEN HATERS. LOL THIS IS THE MOST CHILDISH RUDE AND BITCHY STORY TO BRAINWASH THE NAIVE BY MEN HATERS AND BE ASHAMED YOU EVEN THINK MEN ARE DOGS. MY 5 YEAR OLD NEWPHEW COMES UP WITH GREATER MEANINGFUL STORIES DAILY. YOU MUST HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES.
Speaking of Lesbians, they’re everywhere these days. And real men haters obviously. Not to mention that they have tattoos all over their bodies, and overweight altogether which makes them real nasty as well.
Lets not forget the party girl who after sleeping with dozens of guys and reaching 30 all of a sudden wants a nice guy. It’s like getting a used car with 200k miles on it.
Those slutty women will just grow very old all alone with a bunch of cats when their time comes, especially when there many of us real nice single guys that would really know how to treat a good woman with a lot of love, respect, and commitment. Women today are just so very awful, and not nice to meet at all.
Why would she be required to disclose this her romantic partner? Then there is also the flip side of this, her experience would probably make her more skilled in physical intimacy than someone who had say, three or four romantic partners. Why are you assuming that none of the men she was with previously were “nice guys?”. Maybe it’s just me, but I really don’t understand where you are coming from. Don’t shame people for having a libido and acting on it.
This can’t go unaddressed. The way God designed it, was Adam and Eve: one man and one woman, for life.
A man and a woman, when they marry, are supposed to not have had sex with anyone. They are both supposed to be virgin. And only give their virginity to each other, on their WEDDING NIGHT.
Anything short of that incurs damages, which deprive them of the design created by God. They learn about each other sexually and grow from there.
That’s how it works best. That’s how God designed it. It’s a fallen world unfortunately.
I will never understand women. I am 35 years old and still single, never been married, don’t have any kids. I am good looking, well educated with three college degrees, and have a good paying job, however no woman seems to want me. I tried everything to find a woman internet dating, bars, church, the gym and I talked with a lot of women and some even agreed to meet up but after the first date they would say well your just not my type, I’m just not interested, I just don’t feel a connection with you even though they seemed interested when I first meet them. I guess Im too ordinary. Most women today like bad boys and losers. An example is when I worked at Pizza Hut about eight years ago. We had this pretty girl in her early twenties who dated our dishwasher who calls in sick half the time and is on the brink of getting fired. I could not figure out what she seen in this guy who could not even hold a job and does not even try to better himself?
To be a loser in order to get women is to learn how to talk like a loser. Act dumb most of the time. Don’t mention the college degrees and such. Women aren’t interested into that. Play bad boy type, act tough. Overall tailer the personality that the woman wants.
That is why most of these women today are very brain dead to begin with, and they treat most of us good men like garbage as it is since they have no manners and personality at all when they talk to us. They’re without a doubt very severely mentally disturbed, and need help very badly. Most women were so much nicer many years ago, and now they’re a total waste of humanity.
I mean I am not saying the guy is a loser because he is a dishwasher. I was a dishwasher when I was in my late teens and early twenties while attending college getting my degree, but I worked hard and very rarely called in sick unless I was puking or had a fever. I would always work overtime if it was available too. However this guy was in his late twenties or early thirties and just didn’t want to work and wanted everybody else to do his job for him.
Incorrect. You say women are braindead but if you feel that way then why do you even care who they date?
Also treat most of us good men like garbage?
There aren’t “good men” that call women brain dead. Sorry you just called out why you’re not a good man. Sure you may fake “nice guy” to get something you want from them but when it doesn’t turn your way you’ll lash out so you’re not a genuinely good person.
Women were nicer years ago? No I think you remember what it was like to be a child and demanding attention that always got you noticed. Once you became and adult you have be what that specific woman desires and if you aren’t then she’s just not interested. Emotional labor of strangers is exhausting and women really don’t want to tip toe around men that clearly shouldn’t be approaching. Are you her looks match? If not then leave her alone and move on with the day.
Most women are real basket cases today altogether, especially American women. No manners, no personality, stuck up, Curse at many of us single guys for no reason at all when we will try to start a conversation with the one that we would really like to meet, What is up with that?
This comment is exactly why women don’t like you. Personally, as a women, I would run far away from most of the men commenting on this. These “deadbeats” probably respect and love the girls they date, which is more than they’d ever get from any of the haters in the comments. Holy f*ck, I pray none of you find a women, ever. Just leave them alone for erernity, please.
Blah, did you even read what the other man said? He said that women are Cursing at us for no reason at all which i even had it happened to me as well. Learn how to read.
hey at least you didn;t get ghosted, they told you straight out you were not their type, In my case aftr 20 years of marriage husband passed, it was hard after his death but listen to this, after 3 years i decide to mayb go out with a FF omg big mistake i was not aware of all this playing around messing with people’s emotions for a month then i got ghosted which was a term that I recently learned. I was very embarrassed even ashamed, mayb i was too nice, guy didnt even said hey you are not my type, we learn from mistakes but i can tell you one thing i think im ok looking well mayb better than OK lol i cook, i am very proactive not a complainer, and still men run the other way. hey you are right about one thing women are drawn to bad boys i don;t knw why its a damn curse.
i do feel alone at times i dont want to get married i don’t want to live with anyone i just want to have companionship NO one wants it i guess LOL
it’s so hard too hard, it was easy when i was young imagine i got married at age 22… things were different back then men had more honor, now everyone just doesnt understand friendship and companionship YIKES
Good comment of course someone has to come along and be rude, but don’t listen to them. The person below that is bullying.
You have three degrees and say “your” instead of “you’re”. Obviously the degrees were not in English!
Ok, there was one slight grammar or spelling error! At least I am smart enough not to do illegal drugs, am able to hold a job and not be a lazy freeloader on welfare, and don’t have multiple children out of wedlock.
Women — especially happy women who are comfortable with their bodies and enjoyable to be around — don’t like hyper-conscientious finger-wagging types. My advice is to stop constantly casting judgment about how other people choose to live, and to instead start offering something that women actually value.
Women who are enjoyable to be around, socially skilled, and attractive understand the importance of emotional, social, and sexual value, and expect a man to provide the same value in return. If you don’t, they likely won’t want to date you. And don’t think you can pretend to be someone of emotional, social, and sexual value until you “get the girl”, at which point you can go back to being hypercritical, moody, uptight, melodramatic, prissy, constantly negative, and so on. Even if you trick such a woman into dating you, you’ll not be able to keep up the act forever, and when she sees who you really are, she will leave you. Probably for a guy that you think is “a loser”, but who makes her feel good, is fun to be around, and has masculine energy.
If you want people to like you, then be LIKEABLE. Be FUN to be around. Make her feel good about herself and about life. Keep your negativity and drama to yourself. Be masculine in your behavior, don’t sniff like an old maid librarian who is offended that someone talked out loud, or put a book back in the wrong place.
That’s one way trip to prison, Maybe he-girl would like you in prison. With renew awaking happening in America. What your describing no longer exists.
Huh? One way to prison? Umm no actually that comment above yours was spot on. Women enjoy being around fun and interesting men. A man that’s always doing that self deprecating humor is exhausting. It’s like they want you to make them feel better by constantly putting themselves down. You’re sitting there feeling awkward. The other type is the one that is constantly bringing up his sex life so that he lets you know he’s getting laid constantly. Then there’s the guy that tries to show you pictures of his exs. That’s usually fail number #3. The goal here is to say “see I had a few good looking ex gfs” but really the majority of the women they’re sleeping with don’t top those charts so I’m already creeped out because those women weren’t even good enough to mention and the better looking ones are being used as props way after the relationship had been over.
Then there are the “neg” users. Everything feels like an argument when you don’t want to jump to their tune. They use alot of “WE this and WE that” as if we’re one person with one brain and clearly I’m not supposed to have my own wants or desires. I usually say ” Well it’s not WE” IT YOU OR ( ME/I) So I then have to go back and ask the question the way it should have been asked ” So YOU wanted ME to meet YOU some where? Is that what you’re asking ME?
The other one is LET’S ( LET US) go here or go there. Again these are command prompts that are just annoying. I don’t even know that guy and he’s talking to me as if we’re one unit. If you want me to go and do something with YOU then ask ME directly.
Then of course when I say Oh no I don’t want to do that then I’m met with hostility.
So no there are just some behaviors that make certain men unappealing.
Ohh then there are the 50-50 types. Seems all pro equality but it’s anything but. There’s nothing more unequal than the dating and mating between men and women. Sure if it was man with man or woman with woman I’d say there were closer to the 50-50 ideal but since sex between the “sexes” tends to put women at a physical disadvantage.
So I’ll get the guy that’s pushy and wants to ensure a sexual victory for himself as something to acquire FROM women not enjoy WITH women. So what happens is he looks for the the cheapest way to get his goal met always often using “WE” for selfish self serving purposes. HIs suggestions are always ” lets hang out” as if I’m jut going to someplace and aimlessly stand around without a proper plan just because he want face to face attention but doesn’t want to do the work of actually of actually being responsible for well anything.
So example:
Guy said hey how about WE meet up at this restaurant. What that says is ” How about I arrive earlier to the restaurant, order my own food and eat it and finish just before you arrive so you can order your own food.
What this says to me is that I should call the restaurant an hour earlier and order take out. Show up in sweats and when my food is ready to take I pay ,grab the bag and go home to enjoy a nice meal alone with some Netflix. You can call me on the phone and we can have a chat instead.
Actually I liked a guy who wanted to be a girl much more then average men, because he had qualities and could see things normal men couldnt and he was in jail. I loved him. So really, its your attitude that women don’t like. A “Masculine” Men is not the way to a girls heart.
Yes, what men don’t realize is , men sometimes also go after women who are “No Good because they Are Attracted to No Good Women, just like Women are Attracted to No Good Men!” There are guys out their that seek certian types of women who do not respect the kind of guy he is. Like i know some men who actually search for men who I know to be “B/tchy” And “Fighting Personality” That will never get a long with anyone, but These men like them because they think they are “Strong and Independent”, meanwhile they are nasty to other women and us women know they are not good dating prospects but some men choose these kind of women over and over again and they miss the good ones who actually like them because they didnt see the signs.
That is why most women nowadays are real demons.
The Danco worked pretty good, no choice but the two broke rommies enjoying all richness then F*off
I was reading your comment and I think it’s pretty obvious why if you read how this article was posted. These men that are losers are con artists. They tell a good lie , blame others for their current predicament and you find out after investing time that you wasted it. So what happens is that women tend to keep trying because of that time invested thinking if they quit they’ll be missing out on the updated version that doesn’t exist not as long as he’s with her anyway. The fact that you’re talking about a pretty girl that while in her 20s dated the dishwasher over 8 years ago while you yourself worked for Pizza Hut is also telling. Were you as attractive as this woman in the male form? I gather not because you admit to getting dates with women but for some reason they don’t see you as their type. That basically means that looks/ interests don’t align enough for her to feel things will go anywhere. What I mean you don’t have enough in common + looks wise you may not meet their standard. That doesn’t mean you will not meet the standard of other women but the woman that you’re trying with just don’t feel it. Even that dishwasher, do you really think he was saying he doesn’t like work or did he play victim and say he was getting picked on or harassed at work which was why he never wanted to go into work? It’s all about phrasing with many men that are considered “losers” that say just the right combination of lies or use misdirection to keep her focus off of why he’ll a terrible match. These types keep pushing for their ends of things but don’t come with the other side for the woman so they keep her waiting for things to pay off. Think of this like a job. A man applies for a job, doesn’t have the skill set but lies on the application boosting himself up as the best employee. His mistakes keep coming up costing the employer money to the point where the employer is waiting for the benefits to reach or exceed the cost. Most companies would fire a person after so much time but women tend to stay in and try and make it work. Once the employee burns the business down or gets caught stealing from the register does the employer ( woman) say ok enough is enough. The difference here is business is about the numbers. With women it’s emotion which isn’t always based on logic.
In 2012 times were hard the country was still in the recession and most places were not hiring except for places like Pizza Hut, Burger King, McDonald’s, Walmart, and fuel stations so I took whatever I could find, even though I already had my first college degree.
As for looks I was quite goodlooking and still am, and I was in good shape. My looks would have been good enough for the pretty girl at Pizza Hut.
Finally the dish washer was never picked on at least not at first, but after he was calling in sick half the time, always wanting someone to work for him, always wanting to go home early when he did rarely work, and never once working overtime once after we asked him dozens of times, everybody that worked there including myself lost respect for him. I could see a high school kid pulling this crap, but someone in their late 20s? Come on it’s time to grow up!
Women don’t want bad boys, I am one in real life, I don’t just walk around in a fag leather coat with cheap knockoff sunglasses. I think it is more of the Fantasy that exists only in her head. Some insecure women find it interesting that some average dude with no particular set of strengths or qualities can just go out and be himself. This helps some women even take it to the next step herself! The level of comfort a woman has determines who she can be with. If you are a HighLander per say and she is a countryside chick she’s gonna naturally feel inferior to you but set her up with a peasant boy who disobeys you and she’ll even sell her ass for him on account that the big dog she can’t have somehow Lost in her warped sense of existence. You as a Greater Man need to search for a Greater Woman, you understand? Now stop looking for what you think you want and tell the women you do want how it is in the Highlands of life. Stop wimping over basic bitches and elevate yourself, the right woman Will recognize this. Then show her your dick,lol. Seriously exposing myself has Always netted some fishnet action,seen? Women want Dick, they’ve just been told it’s bad…so thy want to be good. IE, don’t worry baby I won’t tell. Just me and You baybeh etc. Bitches ain’t shit treat them as such that’s why you’re the Man. Later.
A, just too many entitled, narcissistic feminists women everywhere nowadays unfortunately.
Ever stop and consider how many women either aren’t diagnosed with autism or misdiagnosed as borderline personality disorder? Both my mother and I went through absolute hell with men only to find out later in life we had Asbergers which explains why we were so overly trusting of snakes in the grass. Women’s “liberation” was a mistake. We were sold lies. The women who thought they were fighting for their freedom were actually fighting for their “right” to wear men’s chains.
Yes True but Borderline and Autism are not the same. They are entirely different disorders and I think maybe im quiet borderline.
Many of us “good Christian men” wanting a “good Christian woman” in church, particularly during college, were quickly disheartened when none of them would accept our requests for dates.
Maybe we didn’t appear to be as “sophisticated” and say “all the right lines” the godless players used to get into the Christian girls’ pants. We may have been a little shy or introverted, and didn’t always know what to say to them.
We never focused on sex and would do nothing to jeopardize a Christian woman’s purity. We wanted to date and marry them, not use them and quickly bolt, like the godless fornicators did.
Read this story of a “good Christian girl” who threw-away her Christian innocence to this player she met. She could care less about the nice church boys who loved her. She only had eyes for the godless fornicator, whom she quickly gave him her sweet Christian virginity. She gave her Christian innocent to HIM — a player — and let him be her first, not the Christian man she may later marry. Wonder how those “church guys” appear in her eyes to her now, now that the godless player used her and soon bolted?
[ link not added, from LoveShack.org forum ]
“…some of them were “nice girls”. One girl who I deflowered was really sweet and innocent and the only girl around my age I know who went to church every sunday. Not brilliant, but she wasn’t dumb either. She threw her virginity away on me instead of all her male church-going Christian friends who were all in love with her, I never called her back once I got what I wanted. ….”
This is a perfect case in point of what I was talking about. Women who are fun, enjoyable, and attractive aren’t interested in all this snotty, moralistic whinging. Such men are the partners of absolute LAST resort, women will take virtually ANYONE before they will go for the uptight, prissy, uptight finger-wagging man.
And FYI, it is possible to formulate a sentence without using the word “Christian”. Just saying. :P
Guess truth hurts, eh?
As far as I’m concerned, the post was spot-on.
Just look at all the very fat disgusting low life loser women out there that really think they’re all that nowadays, what a real joke. This is why so many of us good single men can’t meet a decent normal woman anymore today.
My take on this Is simply women go for losers/bad boys because they are seen has having more confidence, they are more exicting, more dangerous to be around, ‘sexually appealing’ to women. Something a ‘good guy’/ ‘nice guy’ is not. A women in her sexual prime (round from 19 to 25) will of course be looking to hook up with what she considers the most sexually attracted men (will tend to be bad boys)
Some of the comments on here from women can back this up. A bad boy is not going to commit to one lady simply because he has a string of women. He will go from one women to another with with no desire to commit. Why do you think women like chasing these and quite frank desperate for these types of men? Women like a man who has options with a lot of other ladies! To a women, having options means that you are most desired which places you at the top of the sexual market.
What women can’t understand is that you cannot change/fix someone by trying to lock them down. It has to be that person who needs to change themselves. Women make the mistake of thinking this. This is why when they get to their late 20s, with their biological clock ticking, its then now they want to settle with a good guy. Simply because they been rammed by alot of these same men causing them to have high double digits body counts resulting with none of them committing. They eventually had enough. Again their clock is ticking and the sexual value decreases so to them it reaches the time when they need to settle down, get married and have children. A women’s SMV decreases alot quicker then men. Mens usually peaks around his 30s going into his 40s.
What I also find assuming is when women post blogs, comments stating “Where are all the good men?” Guys please take this with a pinch of salt.. What she is actually saying is “Where are all the guys I am sexually attracted/ aroused gone?” If the former was actually true then most women at 30 and beyond will be taken and married. Its only when she probably reaches her mid 30s, when none of these bad boys no longer need her as they are sleeping around with women 10 years her age she will then start to seek a men who is respectful, got something going for him. Again look at all these blogs/youtube videos that women post regarding ‘Why I cant find a man’ or ‘Why I am destined not to find love as single mother for the rest of my life’
Even guys with high value and have their shit together (are actually decent, respectful guys) do not want messed up women/single mothers. Again they have options and have their stuff together so will tend to look for good respectable women. If a man dresses well, conduct himself right, as ambition and drive (masculine traits) he will have his options with women. He does not want messed up used up women who been rammed by losers during her prime years.
My last take on this. The women who do not want you during their sexual prime who are addicted to bad boys are usually the ones who have 3 children by 4 baby daddy’s, single and living of the government. They question why they cannot find a ‘good’ man… This is why they are the least desired women to date. To me, they are the equivalent of why women are put of by ‘Nice’ guys. It quite funny how some are stunned when they get a taste of their own medicine and are rejected by these same men (who now have their shit together) who they rejected during her best years.
In other words, most women out there nowadays are just real low life losers altogether themselves.
Actually what you state is the same statement that’s regurgitated in all forms of MGTOW spaces. Males that complain that women in their 20s rejected them but most of these men in their 20s didn’t have their lives together so they didn’t have anything to offer these women. The other issue is what these men that were so called “rejected” looked like in their 20s. Many times they don’t have the look, the personality, the resources nor the sex skills to attract women that quite frankly are far above their looks level. They know this but still want to approach women that will never find them appealing. Fast forward to later years when they actually get RESOURCES this doesn’t change their bitterness but they end up going out there to target the new young population of 20- somethings while being in their 30s and 40s. Now do they marry these women since they’re the new and fresh population of hopefuls? No. They treat these 20-somethings like trash thinking about their former selves and how they wouldn’t have gotten a woman like this in their past. So the unnecessary abuse begins as they seek to get revenge. These 20-somethings don’t understand the cruelty and abuse so they drop dating the creepy old guys and instead go back to dating men their own age that they can at the very least relate to and have actual conversations. They end up appreciating generational understandings as the older types typically talked down to them, brought great harm to their mental, sexual or even emotional well being and find men their own age a breath of air. In other cases they’ll use these revenge seeking older guys as financial toys seeing as they’re typically used as sexual ones. They just do an exchange as those resources can and will be used to further educational goals for career advancement. Once they’re on their way they go back to dating their own peer group to start building a family unit or they stay on the career track so they don’t need resources from any man much less one that will be extremely abusive.
You don’t sound like a gentleman with your choice of words, I believe that is why you are not finding a nice lady. There is not a man I know that would describe a person with such negative disgust.
Women today are so much different from the old days when love was very easy to find back then. Today women are very independent since they really can make it on their own which i will admit. Most women just want a man with money unfortunately, and just can’t accept many of us men for who we really are anymore.
Billions of women form the low and middle class..i cannot believe how weak and stupid modern day men are.
ICU, You really are very mentally disturbed.
“Most women just want a man with money unfortunately”
– Not true. They want men WITHOUT money. They want to be virtuous by sticking it to the man and donating their ss to the poor little but arrogant guy instead. Basically feminism.
This article is about why women want loosers. Loosers are the ones who will never own a decent house, who will never provide a good life for 3 children.
Some people mentioned women choosing for sexual attraction only. Maybe its ego they are attracted to, as they also have a big ego, as they were raised as daddy’s little princess. Arrogant people despise non-arrogant people, be it men or women.
So, if you can’t even spell “loser” correctly, what kind of a guy does that make you?
Protip: Looser is the antonym of tighter, not the antonym of winner.
*rolls eyes*
Stop treating hogs like girls
LOL @ the people in this thread and their skewed perception of reality.
Look at the real world and tell me one girl who would f a loser who works at McDonald’s versus a wealthy surgeon with a retirement plan at age 70. Give me a break.
This is why one-night-stands are the only thing going for us successful men. Who needs relationships, all that matters is the satisfaction of having physical sex and the ooochy-moochy romantic bullshit can be dealt with the deadbeats. We can f at least one night a week while devoting the rest of our energy to building our future.
Who said winners can’t be assholes?
You certainly nailed it.
You said F a looser not have a relationship with one. I am sure a fast food worker would normally young and strong and able to please a women. It’s just a F.
A guy who ‘works full time’ whether McDonald’s or Walmart is NOT a Loser. The article is about the unemployed
At least the men working at McDonald’s or Walmart work! I once known a young woman who worked two jobs while her boyfriend or guy she was engaged to sat at home and just drank beer all day long. He refused to work. He was the biggest freeloader there was. One time she hid $700 in a can or jar and was just saving it for a rainy day. Her boyfriend found it and spent it all in one night at the bar buying everyone drinks and this was not his money. This was money that she worked for and earned. This woman needed to tell the guy to go out and get a job or it’s over between them!
No, you’re a loser if you’re a grown up working at these places unless you are a district manager or regional administrator. Male or Female you my friend are the weakest link
That’s exactly why we date losers!! Your comment, right there! I’m an attractive 28 year-old attorney who excels in my field of practice. I’m intelligent, a great conversationalist, rational, and empathic. Granted, I’m also a bit narcissistic. So why don’t I date men in my league? Because men in my league don’t have an interest in dating or having a relationship.
If he’s successful, intelligent, and doing well for himself – he either married his high school sweetheart, or currently has no interest in being in an “end-game” kind of relationship. Who can blame him? He has a biological imperative that makes him want to spread his seed. We, on the other hand, have a biological imperative to find one committed person and to become an incubator for 9 months. (Baby fever is real!).
The point is, it’s not the 1960s anymore. There’s no longer a societal norm for getting married and starting families after high school or college. There’s no pressure to commit to someone anymore. So why would you, when you can manage yourself and see all kinds of women? The worst part of this all, is that this essentially means I’m better off looking for an older man in his forties who possibly IS looking to settle down. How unfortunate, lol!
I am writing this comment with tears of joy. My marriage fell apart after 6 months because my mother In-law asked my husband to divorce me and marriage the woman she betroth to him as his wife. All this drama started happening in our marriage and my husband left me and our one month baby just so he could do as his mom wants him to
Well on another note, apparently he had reservations before the marriage but decided against his mother’s or his better judgement to go through his true intentions. Other than that, it’s unfortunate for a man to leave a marriage with a kid after going through the motion, that means he definately had reservations initially but “perhaps” look at what you may have coerced or inforced him to do so based on his initial feelings for you. You would do the same for a male child of yours be it a woman who’s pressuring him to marry her. Not saying you did, but it’s a strong possibliity. A lot of men are mothers boys and can’t shake or recognize or realize it. But for a man to do what yours did, means for you to look at any, however minute you may see it as a means to his action. Six months into the marriage and you have a child may come across as you trying to trap or in a marriage box him in. The next go around, I suggest you not try to compete with a mother, force or box in a man. If he’s that week to allow a woman to do so, then the same weakness will allow him to exit the marriage, child or not. I have “some” experience in what I say but I would never leave my child through marriage or relationship to be with another. Because what goes around comes around.
Tears of Joy, I hope so because you should be second to none. Divorce is not easy and now he will share his earnings with you forever and new wife will not forget that. Less to go around, good for you now find things in life that make you really happy.
A lot of these women will just grow very very old all alone with a bunch of cats when their time comes anyway. Have a lot of fun with your cats ladies, you certainly deserve it.
Nothing is written in stone. You might end up in a ditch for any reason and need a therapy cat to get better.
Said Rosa the cat lover.
Going on Tinder is always illuminating for the number of unattached old men, with their sagging, wrinkled faces and pot bellies, desperately lying about their age and trying to appeal to increasingly fewer numbers of presentable women. Either that, or they marry some plain girl and try to cheat as often as possible (although that becomes pretty hit or miss as even the skanks avoid them after a certain age).
I always wonder what happens when these 50 somethings hit 60 or even 70 and contemplate their future in the nursing home. They will probably turn into that cantankerous old goat that all the staff put off dealing with til last, the notorious one that they all laugh about for being so selfish and annoying.
Personally, I think that a future with cats is a lot better than a carer ignoring that your bottom has been needing wiped for 3 days, because no-one is paid enough money to do that. Not for you at least…
As matter of fact, the dating world is totally opposite of what you’re saying. Young girls don’t want to be with their age group and find older men more attractive. I dont know what country your in, In US there’s no such thing as good morals.
Well, if what you say is true for men then it’s that many more women as their are men in the world who would fall in the same category. By nature and it’s undisputable, women require more attention and companionship in general. But like men looking for the attractive or going for the charming woman speaks the same for women with their superficial desires for men also. Which means it takes two to tangle and it takes a whore for a man to be a dog. And if that dog will age and end up with your perception of being wrinkled and pot bellied means that nature doesn’t discriminate on the woman’s being also. Women screw around just as much as men, and we cannot do so without a woman unless that man or woman prefers the opposite sex. Me, I only prefer and seek the opposite sex therefore one is no better than the other seeking satisfaction, looks and preferences whenever they can. As soon as women realize they cannot be equal without codeming or constituting men as the culprit and they the victim, then women should accept their role under the creator as who they were deemed to be, not under man’s or woman’s laws but under God and stop picking choosing the verses in their religon or bible that suites or appeases their needs or desires.
Nowadays there are so many low life loser Gold Digging women everywhere to begin with, and they really need to get a real job and stop living off older men with money.
Often cats are better companions than grumpy old men who have sexual issues. We can support ourselves and with diet, exercise but if botox we still look pretty hot.
You need plenty of botox then.
Jeannie, all the exercise that you do still wouldn’t help either since you’re most likely very overweight to begin with.
lmao,aw poor baby,was your ego struck hard?
Said the loser herself.
I’m definitely not ‘deadbeat’ – but from a relationship point of view, I fall into the ‘loser’ category – I’m 36 and have have never been on even one date. I don’t bother approaching women because there’s always a guy who’s more attractive than me after the women I’m interested in, so why bother? I’m well educated (4 university degrees), have a great, well-paying job in a cool profession, own my own home and 3 other properties – all debt free, take care of myself and have a lot of hobbies. None of this makes any difference though – I never approach women because there’s no way any would be interested.
Paul, if you CHOOSE to be single and don’t want to date, that is great. But if you actually do, then why not try? Why bother? Well we KNOW the result of not bothering. But the only way to find out is to try. When you went after degrees and jobs you must have been prepared for possible rejections. And you modified your course and continued on. This is no different, I feel. If you already know that the worst that can happen is a “No” and you realize you are going to be just fine either way, then why not? Some might argue the worst thing would be getting into a relationship with the wrong person. They have a point. Communication is key. And remember, if you find you don’t like the person or they are not suitable, you can emd it. And I’m sure you would do it kindly. Best to you.
@ hsama, Oh please, Before i was married. Dating was bad then and even worse now. I hear alot of horror stories that women are going after men who dont respect women at all. It great that Paul chooses not to get involve with the drama of dating world. Women needs to wise up and learn before being used up. just my 2 cents
As I said, If Paul is happy single, then I agree. If not, perhaps not.
Paul, you sound like you have it together. You don’t like to approach woman because you are afraid they will hit the “reject” button. So I’ll give you the button and take a chance by saying hi and I’d like to get to know more about you.
Paul, I would like to meet with you. I will not carry this automatic reject button you sadly think all women carry.
Wanda
Wanda wants to meet with you, Paul. Gee, I wonder if your mention of status had anything to do with her decision? You should claim to hate the people you seem to hate.
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Don’t be so hard on yourself. You sound amazing. You just need a woman who is not superficial. Maybe your just interested in the wrong kind of woman.
Get out there Paul. Swing dancing is the best place. They’ll teach you, and a different woman falls into your arms every three minutes. Trust me, after a few weeks, one of them is going to resonate with you.
I agree. I have a friend who goes dancing every week and he has someone new at least every two weeks.
Sadly your situation is not uncommon. Success in life does not equate to success in love. In fact successful guys might seem boring whereas deadbeat losers are exciting…they are always in trouble, hitting up their women for money. Women thrive on chaos and drama and that is what these losers provide. These women are warned by their family and friends but they don’t listen.
Your on the right path. Now adays relationships are a joke.
Rosa, with the kind of very horrible women that are everywhere these days really tells the whole story.
I’m a deadbeat loser (no video games but a lot of books) and I had very attractive and successful women do crazy thing to get my attention, some dropped their”successful boyfriend” hoping I would care more about them.Truth is to succed in today’s world you have to be a miserable cock sucker and bean counter. You can fool average people with luxurious items but not intelligent women who are already well established, they want somebody who make them feel alive which is pretty much the opposite of being successful nowaday. Something beautiful is something free and the money slavery is everywhere. Calling yourself a financial samurai or driving a sport car/boat and ingesting crap while jerking on irons in a gym doesn’t make you an athlete or a warrior, it just makes you a miserable loser who try to compensate. My father was verry successful financialy (real estate promoter) and the richer he became the more miserable his life was, he had plenty of expensive toys but he was surrounded by cock suckers who were waiting for crumble to fall off his plate.
Clap Clap Quaddam.
I see if often. Success and Money brings in fake friends who only want to post pics and name drop that they are part of your circle while talking behind your back. Trust is a huge issue for me.
Paul I am a guy about the same age as you in the same boat and I myself have multiple degrees, own a nice car, own 3 properities, debt free, high credit score, one of which is in the largest city in America. I even look younger than I appear but I am not chiseled with washboard abs and i don’t have blonde hair, but I stay in shape and love the outdoors.
I work in a STEM field that continues to grow that supports the operations of this country.
Not trying to be picky, but I have a RIGHT to girls that are their 20s since I like to have a family and have healthy kids. I don’t want a supermodel but I don’t want a fat or hairy girl either. Or some girl with hair weird hair colors.
The ONLY thing I desire from a girl is she is feminine, fit, sweet, kinky, and loves to travel and do outdoor things. Whether she cooks, honestly I am better at cooking than most girls but it would help.
I don’t approach girls since none of them really look towards my direction or notice me and I am not sure how to interrupt someone on their phone or headphones.
In the USA it is impossible to find the girls I like. Not sure why.
You said “Not trying to be picky, but I have a RIGHT to girls that are their 20s since I like to have a family and have healthy kids. ”
Why do you think you or anyone has a “Right ” to another human being? Do you think it’s possible your outlook is off-putting (terrifying) to women?
Nailed it!!! Most of the men on this thread are Red pill losers.
Paul if it makes you feel any better your not alone. I am 35 years old and still single too. I have never been married and don’t have any kids. I am fairly good looking, well educated, and have a good paying job but no woman seems to want me. The women where I live seem to like bad boys who are in and out of jail and losers who can’t even had a job to save their lives.
Whatever happened to the women in the past that most of them at the time were real ladies and the very complete opposite of today altogether? Today they really are just so very awful.
I’ve only encountered tight fisted men with no respect for women. I’ve never had a man as much as buy me a meal or give a sincere compliment without an agenda. Women who sleep around are the ones men treat like treasure.
Laura, there are many of us good men out there.
Laura, all men want sex. You think a guy wants to be your buddy? No, we want a relationship, which includes sex. Maybe you should ask yourself why you’re so against sex.
I agree.
They go out with deadbeat losers because those are the only guys who ask them out. Smart men wrote women off a long time ago. Women add absolutely nothing positive to a man’s life. We are so much better off without them.
I have said this once and I will say it again. If you are a woman who is looking for a long term, committed relationship partner with a man that leads to marriage, the first step in that process is to tell the man you are dating that while sex is important to you in a relationship, you do not engage in heavy physical intimacy with a man until there is not only commitment in the relationship, but a high level of trust, communication, and emotional intimacy. Period. No exceptions. Anyone who pressures you beyond that is history. Some idiot wrote a 250+ page book geared towards women about how to rid the players from their life, but nothing will rid a player than simply saying you don’t have sex outside of a committed relationship with trust, communication and emotional connection. Any player is going to dump you immediately if you draw this line because he knows that there are other girls who are more gullible. I can also tell you this with 100% certainty: if a man really likes you, and sees you as relationship material, he will wait for sex. He may not wait until marriage, but he will wait until at least the relationship has some sort of foundation. Besides, the key to having great sex in a long term relationship is communication. You have to talk about sex in great detail, and many people like myself are not comfortable doing this with someone I do not know well. As a man who is only interested in LTR’s, I will not have sex with a girl outside of a committed relationship. I really believe that couples having sex to soon in the dating process is responsible for a great deal of the divorces in this society. It is not a moral thing. It’s just that you are putting the cart before the horse. I don’t want to make sex sound like a big thing, but it is the most intimate act you can engage in with a person. It can do everything from giving you an orgasm, to giving you a STD to creating an baby. You don’t want to be doing this with a man who doesn’t know you and vice versa. I feel too many women in modern society erroneously feel that unless they give it up early, a man won’t commit. And I don’t want to hear about any of this “I must test drive the car before buying it” crap. “Buying a car” is what you do when you marry someone. I am not suggesting wait until after marriage to have sex.
I have to disagree with you here. If the woman had prior history of having sex then the woman would have alot to prove. Truest is very important in any relationship. If the woman really wanted commitment then it would be best for the woman to remain virgin to show the man that she actually respects herself. In US, we live in a very conservative society. I have to disagree with you in line of about any player would dump the woman. Respectful good guys would dump women who dont respect herself and serious about the commitment in relationship. Besides who want a prospective wife runs around the block before settling down?
Way to sound like some backwater Indian/Middle Eastern man trying to buy his third wife.
Actually I am an american, and already married. I am merely speaking from experience. Even today it the same old, nothing changes.
You’re naive.
He’s right. If she isn’t a virgin, and is asking for absolute celebacy in the relationship short of marriage, it sets off numerous red flags to any self respecting man who might have understandable paranoia about the claims of chastity and devotion this person is making. It comes across as trying to have your cake and eat it.
Honestly, any sensible man with a working brain would clock her at either gold digger, liar, or potential ex-wife. All 3 scenarios he loses time and money.
Sadly, your 8 years behind the news. With that mentality you have is the reason why non-virgins can never be trusted. Believe it or not, There are more women out there putting off sex until much later. I know for the fact that my current wife was a virgin when she had blood stains all over my bed, first time wasn’t really pretty. If i had to choose women like you or my wife, I would choose her at any time of the day.
Why AREN”T you telling them to wait until marriage? Waiting to have sexual intercourse until AFTER marriage is the best way! It worked for the majority of people for centuries!!! And it shows the asshole is committed to you. Men dump you after you give them sex, you stupid women.
In the old days people would get married after knowing each other for a 3 months. They weren’t dating for 2 – 3 years like they are today.
There was no birth control and 1/3 of women died in childbirth. So basically after 3 kids you could get another wife.
Where do you people come up with these bogus stats? They estimate a woman’s chance of death from birth in the 1500s was between 1 and 2% per child, not 33%.
Infant mortality rates weren’t even that high
Wow, waiting until your married. I only slept with my husband so I did not know what a “normal Sexual relationship was” said husband was not into “normal” things… marriage ended had I slept with him before hand I could have saved myself from divorce and heart ache. I am sure I am but the only person who experienced this. I no longer believe in keeping your virginity for your husband.
It appears that you picked the wrong guy to get married or lack of communication between you and your (former) husband. I would say it always good keeping virginity until after marriage. There are too many risks involved before marriage.
Awesome words and as a woman I agree with you 100%.
I need a green light to move forward… Commitment and fidelity is that. But so many play the lie it is hard to tell any more as we have migrated into a population of sociopaths, narcissist amd just broken people. Good luck all. The Road Less Travelled just got bumpier since 1990.
Hi everyone I’m Judy from Dallas County Tx., My husband who has left me for 7 months because of his new found mistress is back, We have been married for 14 years with 3 beautiful kids. I love my husband so much but I could not stop him. I need our marriage to work, I have read countless books on how to please your husband but none worked.
I suffered alone with our kids until someone tweet on twitter about how she got his cheating boyfriend back and now they are married. I contacted her on twitter and she told me that I should give
Bwahahahahahahahahaa. Yeah right, no intimacy? What?…. While she blows and screws someone else to get her but off, all the while pretending to be a virtuous martyr in front of you. GTFO of here with that nonsense. You people are mentally ill and full of $hit.
MY 25 year old granddaughter loves SCUMBAG LOSERS. He was having her work and buy him food ,hotel, everything ( he was a street person, he has nothing) it was about sex and his your beautiful baby (she apparently has low self esteem) he could not even take care of his prior babies (deadbeat dad) his mother takes care of them. He has been hiding from the law I suspect it was about the child support. This guy is now in jail, he has her still sending him money in jail for cigarettes and stuff they are talking about 2 children when they both can’t take care of their children now. she spends her money and time with him not her 3 precious kids lays up on her mom and barely gives anything to her….mom takes her back and forth to work , feeds her, she cleans her and his clothes at moms but until mom puts her foot down it’s going to be like this. I know she just wants love but why creepy people. Her love should be focused on her babies. She must have a sickness she is bi -polar .She doesn’t appreciate anyone advice or help she has become a user herself…I wish I could take and raise those precious babies I’m too old for kids now in my condition. I am so very sad….thanks for letting me vent
It is a real shame that most women today are just very horrible altogether, unlike years ago when most women were the very opposite of today.
Yep, it’s the Princess Syndrome. I tried telling everyone in the late 90s, if you keep treating girls like A princess one day she will be in the real world and realize she ain’t shit, so now all the upper class men and lower class ones come out of the woodwork and it’s better to work with someone she can fix than someone who would need to fix her shit. That is the one trait that I admire is that most bitches Know they ain’t shit but you have people around you telling you you’re a Princess and you’re so special and blah blah fucking blah. It’s time for you dude on here to realize that most women ain’t shit, it sucks I know but I’d rather get sucked that be the sucker, seen?
I so get you.
My beautiful intelligent daughter has hooked up with Loser #1. Barely works..no car..no place to live so he moved in with her. He smokes weed 24/7….low intelligence and its sickening. I saw her thru meth addiction and abusive guys…now shes clean 3 yrs…went back got her college degree..is a nurse administrator and bought a new car. He mooches off her now for over a year. Shes afraid to be alone and settles for this ass piece of crap. He has 3 kids…who he doesnt support so hes in jail constantly.
What the hell?
She prefers ghetto type people but wasnt brought up that way…she hung with ghetto rats in high school and cant seem to shake it at 27…meanwhile her brother is premed going into grad school…
They had an alcoholic abusive father who I left and put in prison…
I guess she hates herself but why?
Im sick I cant shake sense into her.
All i do is pray and cry…omg
Money has NOTHING to do with LOVE. What this article should be about are the astonishing amount of women who dump amazing, loving, caring men because the parents and girlfriends are always crying about about how their daughter or girlfriend earns more than their boyfriend or husband. It’s 2019. Who the hell cares?!! Yes, I wouldn’t tolerate a BF who sits on the sofa, doesn’t have a job and drinks beer all day, but this stuff has gotten out of hand. The sooner we eradicate these gender roles and sexual stereotypes the better. They are totally destructive.
There is nothing wrong with a woman earning more AT FIRST, when u are dating, but he has to have something going for himself! I don’t want someone who has had 10 jobs in 10 years. If he is getting ready to graduate from college, that’s one thing. If he lives with his parents or off of his parents, is into his 20’s and STILL can’t find a career and talks about childish hobbies all the time and displays no career ambition, that is the type that marries plain looking or less attractive women .
Unless, the guy took temps jobs, laid-off. In America, no jobs are secured and you can be let go at any given time. The pre-2008 arguments no longer valid for post recession era. That’s why the economy is booming in US because anyone is replaceable even you. Women and Men at least here in America knows this. This wont factor in dating relationship.
I found much joy reading the comments more than the actual article. I am a confident, beautiful, intelligent woman with a successful career. Scary right? Let me tell you this powerful men will not wait for sex neither will they waste their precious time listening to a woman. Time is too valuable to them. “Ace” men don’t do well with rejection, emotions or suggestions. On the other hand loser men, we all know why they are. They are the brave ones that you can see from a mile away that have nothing to loose. They will try to woo a woman with “who they are, how much they have or what have they accomplished”. The list can go on and on. I yet to meet a kind, gentle, funny, intelligent and successful man. Please notice, I didn’t mention anything about physical appearance. So men out there, please stop blaming women for your lack in the relationship you all crave. I’m not planning to age with cats as someone have mentioned, hahaha. I am a happy single woman, I like to spoil myself, I love myself and I love my life.
Stop over functioning for him. He feels your energy as begging for love. You will be attractive to him . When he knows you are happy with or without him. Be yourself . .
It is very upsetting reading many of these stories about women going for loser guys all the time, and most of these guys are most likely very ugly as well on top of it all. And a good looking guy like me has a job and keeps in shape too, and i still have it very difficult meeting a good woman to date and have a serious relationship with. I don’t get it.
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Where Did All The Good Men Go?
Satire by AldenHamil
I am a woman of Generation Y, and I’ve just turned 29 years old. I’ve been looking for Mr. Right since I was 26 and there’s one little problem I keep running into: There are no Mr. Rights lining up to marry me! I know I’m not alone here, because I’ve seen plenty of articles on the Internet about women just like me having the same problem. I really don’t know what’s wrong with me, and why men aren’t more interested in me.
I’ll admit… I’ve made some mistakes. Like most women of my generation, I grew up being taught that I could do anything I wanted, and that there’d never be consequences for my actions. I was always taught that I deserved the world, and that my entire life would fall into perfect harmony any time I wanted it to, including marriage, promptly by the age of 30. You see, being taught these notions as a little girl, I decided to do what most of my girlfriends did: once I got out of high school, I spent the next ten years “finding myself” by spending all of my free time chain-smoking cigarettes and getting drunk in bars and clubs. There were many men I got involved with during this period of my life. None of them were the wholeseome kind of men you could build a life with, but I didn’t care. I wanted action. I wanted excitement and drama. I knew those men never cared about me and only wanted sex, but I gave it to them anyway. Some of them hit me, and a few smashed in my car windows, but whatever.
There were a few really great men who came into and out of my life during this period, usually from outside the bar scene. They were men who really cared about me, who were concerned for my well being, and who did the little special things to let me know they cared, but I ignored them. I did, I’ll admit it. Every man who came into my life who displayed these positive traits – the kind of traits that could have led to stability and happiness – I rejected. I found them boring. Honestly, I was having too much fun with my lifestyle to ever take notice of the men who actually treated me like a human being. I was addicted to promiscuous sex with bad boys who never loved me. Most of my girlfriends were the same way. Why settle for a good man before you have to, right?!
Now I’m 29 years old. I only drink on the weekends, and I’ve curbed my smoking somewhat, but it’s taken a real toll on my body. My looks are fading, and my biological clock is ticking. I am a single mother of one child born out of wedlock to an abusive, no-good father who never loved me or even had a relationship with me. Not that I wanted a relationship – he was just some guy I met in a bar and I liked how he talked to me like I was dirt. What can I say, it made me hot. He’s currently in prison for armed robbery, so he’s not coming back for another eleven years.
I guess it helps to know that I’m not alone in this. Nearly all of my girlfriends made the same decisions I made, and we’re all having trouble landing quality, marriage-minded men now that we’re getting older. Where did all of those good men go? Didn’t they realize that all we needed was a decade of promiscuous, no-strings-attached sex with non-committed, low quality men, after which we’d be ready to “settle” for a decent, stable man and a house with a white picket fence?
I mean what gives? I’m done chasing bad boys and now I feel like I deserve to have a kind and hard-working man to come and marry me and be a good provider and father to my son. I don’t care what he looks like as long as he’s over 6 feet tall, makes good money, doesn’t have kids, hasn’t ever been married, has a nice car, has his own house, is planning for the future, is confident, funny, independent (but not too independent), fashionable, suave, educated, cultured, and wants to treat me like the amazing, special person that I am. Is that really too much to ask? Why can I not find a man like this? Where did all the good men go?
Signed,
The Women of Generation Y
Where Did All The Good Men Go?- That ship has sailed for you. Citing your age and experience. That is alot of baggage for good men. If you had to do it over, do it right the first time. In US, we live in a very conservative society and this is what frowns upon. I am married to a girl who never done it with anyone else, grew up with her and have kids. With modern dating, it very hard to block off the past citing the social network out there. Have you consider it better in a long run to remain single. Take care of your kids you have now. Good luck
well i think many many years ago a female psychologist said that women do not really know what they really want.
Ring a bell?
You must first improve yourself and yourself esteem there’s no guarantee that you’ll meet a man who earns six figure salary date a guy because you like them not because of their money or you’ll be single for the rest of your life if you too picky.There are lots of average joe nice guys who would like to go out with you you have to make them notice you
I’m a 29 y/o guy, that has the vast majority of what you said you were looking for: My own house, good job, no kids, never been married, in good physical shape, over 6’, I’m a genuine kind and respectful person (as far as I’ve been told).. etc. but what would a guy like me want with a girl like you at this point?? I guess we’re both selfish in our own ways, and as a result, we both end up screwed.. I Probably would have married a girl like you before the child, and before the age of 25, but now? For what? At 29 I can get all the sex I want without having to commit, and I still find myself primarily attracted to women at peak fertility and at their physical peak.. aka women between the ages of 21- 25 (or so). It’s just nature- women are at their prime sexual market value in their early 20’s. Of course, all the wifey material girls within that age range want to party and hang out with losers, and it won’t be until they hit about 28 that they realize they fucked up! good guys don’t like older women that have been around the block with strange men throughout their 20’s and have kids by other dudes. We want a young, still somewhat innocent and impressionable princess who hasn’t been knocked- up, and kicked around by All the other scumbags. We want a clean foundation to build with. I’m sorry, but where were ya’ll when we really wanted you?? Oh, and now it’s painfully obvious that your biological clocks are ticking and all of a sudden you’re all ready for wedding rings. Wouldn’t that be convenient??
Sorry, but unless you get really lucky, you’ve missed that bus..
Moral of the story ladies: when you’re in your early 20’s think about your future, look for a good man a few years older that has his shit together, and lock it down because THAT IS YOUR TIME.
Don’t buy into these toxic baby male posters!What is going on here? “ Clean foundation”? Of course you should have sowed your wild oats when you were in your twenties!
I think all these posters are indeed the losers who live in their Mothers basements now! Listen,you your ship hasn’t sailed,because there is no ship for either sex! “At their prime”, all this BS. These losers want a woman,sorry,girl,preferably pre pubescent or still inutero who they are not afraid of by their knowing just how bad in bed they are.
Look,the reason you have not met any normal men in the past three years is because,obviously, they are damn hard to find! Listen to this smagma! You have every opportunity for the rest of your life to find a partner. If you want a father,look to your father!Continue to make your own dreams come true. There actually are good men ,not the posters here,obviously,who are also not boring. The men who lock it down early are boring,uncultured,have no social skills and expect nothing from life,would you want to seal the deal with that? Unless you can also get a man you can train from birth with no dirty baggage, like the “ thought “ processers here,do you and forget it.As times goes by,they are learning slowly. But who even needs them,what’s the point? Make your own money,have wonderful friends stop smoking and use them for what they’re good for,which is…..?
Moral of the story for YOU and MEN: We want a prince who hasn’t been around the block. As far as your princess shit, if that were true I would have been married 6 times by now. They reject princesses for tight short shorts and crop top stomachs hanging out, and yes, they marry those women. and the men are not poor. Your fertility nonsense: All of the ones I knew were scared to get any girl pregnant and then married some fatter woman so they could live off of her salary after they got her pregnant. Fact.
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I have two MAJOR, I mean a MAJOR issues with this author. And it revolves around these 2 quotes:
“I mean what gives? I’m done chasing bad boys and now I feel like I deserve to have a kind and hard-working man to come and marry me and be a good provider and father to my son.”
This new guy in your life is not the father of your son!!!!!!!!!!!!! He can be nothing more than a good friend and mentor to your son. He has only ONE biological dad. And that is the dad who you copulated with to produce him. He is not to discipline, spank him or do any parenting whatsoever. I could take 100 psychologists who specialize in the childhood psychology of kids who have been thru divorce, and the single greatest mistake a single parent can make is to attempt to make the step parent into a father or mother. It is simply wrong. The kid has every right to tell that step parent, if he or she oversteps their boundaries: “To hell with you, you’re not my real dad or mom, get out of here.” And you know what? The child is right. You screwed up by having the kid in the first place. By actually having unprotected sex with a bad boy who was going to be a lousy dad. Even if you believe he is lousy, you are NEVER allowed to say bad things about your ex in front of your child. NEVER. It is one of the most harmful things you can to a child who is living with a step parent. I repeat, your new “good guy” is nothing more than a friend and mentor to your child. Yes, he has a right to stand up for himself, but he has no place in parenting. I swear to you, if you ask 100 out of 100 psychologists about this, they will agree with me. You need therapy yourself!
Next quote:
“I don’t care what he looks like as long as he’s over 6 feet tall, makes good money, doesn’t have kids, hasn’t ever been married, has a nice car, has his own house, is planning for the future, is confident, funny, independent (but not too independent), fashionable, suave, educated, cultured, and wants to treat me like the amazing, special person that I am.”
Why the hell does it matter what his height is? This is the very core reason why you got in trouble in the first place. First of all, there are plenty of women, who even at 21, have no issues dating a 5 ft. 5 man. But the reason why women in American culture have a dislike of dating short men is because they are overly concerned about what their girlfriends and parents think about the man they are dating. They also want to match what they see in Cosmo Magazine, Sex In The City, and in Hollywood (although many men in Hollywood date women who are taller). Emotionally immature gals want social safety. You do not want your gal pals and parents picking on you for dating a short guy. That’s all it is. You’re too damn concerned about what other people think of you. Former Men’s Health dating advise columnist Nicole Beland once said that before her current husband, the best man she ever dated was a guy that matched her eye to eye in heels. He was the sexiest man she had ever known. He was confident, had a good job, a killer body, handsome, witty, smart, loyal, ethical….he had everything…….except she didn’t have the guts at her young age to tell her girlfriends and parents to shut up about her man’s height. It just went on and on and on and on. It got so bad that at her young age, she had to dump the guy. She said if she hadn’t met her fiancee, it would’ve been the greatest mistake in her life. She still feels awful about it, because it had NOTHING to do about how she REALLY felt. It had to do with what her girlfriends and parents felt. This quote in this article shows that this woman has not grown up. She shows a remarkable lack of maturity. It doesn’t make a dang of difference what most guys’ height is unless you are 5 ft. 10 or something. Most short men still tower over girls in heels. We have reached the point of evolution where a man’s height means nothing. I have a high degree belt in karate. Frankly, I can put your 6 ft. 2 boyfriend on his knees. And if I had a hand gun, he’d really be on his knees. It’s all about social safety, and maintaining the long relationships you have with your immature gal pals and disruptive parents who have no right to comment on who you are dating unless they are beating you. Until you get out of this “height issue,” who will be no more different than you were in your supposed former former self. Shame on you! A man can do nothing to change his height. Plastic surgeons, dieticians, and fitness instructors can do most things to change women and their beauty, but I don’t advise it because most women are beautiful as they are. They only do surgery to correct a male’s height when he is a boy, and the procedure is more risky than getting a penis enlargement. But what ticks me off is that it’s all about appeasing other people than yourself. I’d bet my life savings that if women let go of all opinions of the men they dated, short men would have no issues getting dates.
Good men don’t settle for sloppy leftovers.
Look carefully at your list . . . no mention of sex . . . . only a shopping list (gimme, gimme, gimme . . . because I am worth it)
Quality men want to feel desired by their women . . . you are looking for a free meal.
You have had enough sex for a lifetime . . . he KNOWS that marrying you is going to result in a sexless marriage.
Once you have snarred him, you wil get bored with him & start cheating on him.
Buy yourself a cat . . .& stop deluding yourself.
When you had MARKET VALUE you kicked “Mr Right” in the nuts . . . . he never forgot that. Your market value is no ZERO
Educate your dughter to behave and act like a lady, so that she does’nt fall into the same trap, that you have sprung
American women are taught they’re the prize, they are unable to sexually desire men, they are too dumb to figure out they have any sexual desires.
I always see American women with ugly men, ugly men allow golddigging, they attract female leaches.
Men have to stop paying for dates and gifts, watch all the stupid women leave, plus women need to make their own money and be complete adults.
There women that are actual SEXUAL BEINGS , they will desire you sexually
and be self made, have their own money.
People have to stop stereotyping women as being “used” , women are sexual too.
Omg i was laughing so much at the end, the description of the man you are looking for is ALL ALL ALL who i am , i was dumped by a 28 yr old girl , and decided to date a BIG ASS LOSER, Weed dealer, convicted , living on his parent basement, no car or drivers liscene, no career, can you believe? imi heart broken but it is what is it.
Y’all are overthinking it. Losers get women simply because they make the free time to romance the women with words and fake acts of kindness all day. They are also not wired correctly mentally and do not take “No” for an answer and believe that they are owed female attention. It’s literally a numbers game and someone will have them eventually. I am a woman who ignores such men and it’s alot of work. I hate going out because of it. Not all women are just coasting on tingles all day. I would venturw to guess that a lot of women just go along with the losers as oppised to having to constantly change their routes to various destinations, cut off conversations where they try to manipulate you, reject their advances and requests for your number etc all day every day. Women who would tokerate the attention of a “good guy” are probably largely avoiding leaving their homes or tired.
I’m currently seeing a dead beat loser, after never having been with one, but he’s so good in bed I currently don’t care. Not a boyfriend or husband material but honestly his dick makes up for all of it.
Wow I was just dickmatized for 8 months by my deadbeat loser until I caught him on snap chat texting a 14 yr old and he is 28. Be safe
I was that deadbeat loser for her. My father had just died and I was alone for the first time in my life. Then she came a long a month later, and asked to be a part of my life. I like to think everything was great and we were both happy. That wasn’t the case. Anyways, fast forward 2 years, and I’m sick of being the beadbeat boyfriend. I sign up for the military knowing its a career and I can provide for her and our future family. It is also my dream job so I knew I’d be happy. She decides that we should take a break. I don’t agree so instead we break up. It will be the hardest time of my life so far, but I make it through both the break up and basic training. Through out this time we keep in touch, and a month later we both decide that we should spend a week together. It doesn’t work out. She tells me she isn’t attracted to me anymore, and instead we should just be friends. I talk to her friends, and they tell me I can find someone better. I talk to her parents and get them to have a group discussion with us. They tell her they want whats best for her not for me. That I’m better than all the other guys she’s been with before and after me. Certainly better than the guys shes seeing now. They say that she will regret not going with me when years down the line she sees how my life is going and starts comparing it with hers. She ignores or deflects everything they say. It begins to click in my head. Due to her upbringing with her parents (different mom than the one here) she can only be with guys she can control and abuse. She’s not interested in me anymore because I’ve grown a back bone and I’m now successful. Despite all of this I still love her. I want to give her a better life. To put her through school, to buy her things, and let the rolls be reversed if she wants.I want to be the provider for her, and she doesn’t want that. She wants to stay where she is to be with guys just as broken as she is. It breaks my heart, but I have no choice but to move on now, and focus on my life.
Actually,you sound like you are the one interested in controlling her! Who arranges a group meeting with her family to get her to change her mind? Instead of looking at yourself,you blame her as being controlling. So you won’t learn,and you’ll expect the next girl to fall in line. Did it ever occur to you that maybe she doesn’t want a father figure but an equal in a partner? “ Put her through school and buy her things?” I know you mention the “ rolls” being reversed,but maybe she wants someone who can spell.
Sorry,it does sound like you cared for her,but next time show her that you can take no for an answer and don’t try so hard. Her idea of what a loser is may not be what you or her family thinks it is.
Come on take pride in yourself… Sex is not more important than dignity is it?
I think it’s the lies personal gain I Have experience see its few women’s out there use the guy for his money but don’t really love him just to better herself and then she can have other males that she claimed just friends but she dated him also. You have some males out lie about their relationship that they not in one personal gain just to get what they want only greedy people does that. I haven’t seen recently happened multiple times is bad for the business women’s. They’re used a business just to flirt with every guy not to say a woman’s and man’s not like . You have some females prostitute in and out their house by fornicatin with a lot of guys that they calm friends but they’re dating secretly anyways people suffer because the bad choices that they make you can’t blame God for your mistakes that’s wrong especially if we have a free will think about it now every men and women supposed to have their own husband and wife and whoever told you that dating multiple people is a good thing that’s a lie