The 1/10th Rule For Car Buying Everyone Must Follow

Old Car In EstoniaIn 2009, I watched in horror as a total of 690,000 new vehicles averaging $24,000 each were sold under the Cash For Clunkers program in 2009. The government’s $4,000 rebate for trading in your car ended up hurting hundred of thousands of people’s finances instead! Your $20,000 invested in 2009 in the S&P 500 index would now be worth over $50,000 today given the stock markets are now at record highs!

Buying too much car is one of the easiest and biggest financial mistakes someone can make. Besides the purchase price of a car, you’ve got to also pay car insurance, maintenance, parking tickets, and traffic tickets. When you add everything up, I’m pretty sure you’ll be shocked at how much it really costs to own a car and barf!

The 1/10th rule for car buying is simple. Spend no more than 1/10th your gross annual income on the purchase price of a car. If you make the median per capita income of ~$42,000 a year, limit your vehicle purchase price to $4,200 if you must buy one. Absolutely do not go and spend the median car price of $24,000!

A median income earner buying the median priced car that now costs $32,000 in 2015 is financially absurd. Who spends ~72% of their gross salary on the purchase price of a car? Worse yet, after you pay a 20% effective tax rate on your median $42,000 gross income, you’re now spending around 95% of your net income on a car! That’s crazy and a sure path to financial mediocrity. Don’t expect the government or your rich Uncle to bail you out.

WHY YOU SHOULDN’T SPEND MORE THAN 10% OF GROSS ON A CAR

1) Maintenance costs: We’ve got auto insurance, maintenance, parking tickets, and traffic tickets. Furthermore, the thrill of owning a new or new used car lasts for only several months, but the pain of paying the same car payment lasts for years.

2) Opportunity cost. When you buy a car you lose the opportunity of investing your money in assets that will likely grow and pay you dividends in the future. Everybody knows to save early and often to allow for the effects of compounding. Buying too much car is like negative compounding! Imagine how much money you would have accumulated if you invested $300-$500 a month in the stock market over the past three years instead of paying for a car? Probably around $15,000-$30,000!

3) Stress. When you pay more than 1/10th your income for a car, you will become more stressed. The stress you feel from not wanting to park your car in a crowded lot is completely because you cannot afford your car! If you are within 1/10th of your income, you drive and park stress free. You stop caring about door dings, bumper scrapes, even break ins. Stress kills folks.

4) Makes you want more. The nicer your car, the nicer your other things. You start thinking stupid thoughts like: I’ve got to buy a matching chronometer watch, driving shoes, and outfit. You start paying $20 for valet because you want people to see you come out of your car instead of park for free. Having nice things makes you want to have nice everything!

5) Makes you feel stupid. Deep down, you know that if you can’t pay cash for your car and have money left over, you can’t afford the car. Each payment you make is a reminder how foolish you are with your money. Why would you want to be reminded every single month of being dumb?

IF YOU’VE ALREADY MADE THE MISTAKE

Look, everybody makes dumb financial moves all the time. The important thing is to recognize your mistake, stop, and fix it! Here are some things you can do if you’ve bought too much car already.

1) Own your car until it becomes worth 10% of your income or less. This is the simplest solution if you’ve spent too much. Drive your car for as long as possible until the market value is worth less than 10% of your gross annual income.

2) Bite the bullet and sell your car. If you’ve spent anything more than 1/5th your gross annual income on a car, I’d sell it. It’s making you poor. Even if you have to take a little bit of a hit, I think it’s worth getting rid of your vehicle. Don’t trade it into the dealer because you’ll get railroaded. Instead, try negotiating via Craigslist.

3) Punish yourself. If you don’t punish yourself, then you will repeat your mistake and feel fine with what you have now. For the life of your car loan, take away a food you love to eat such as chocolate. If you are a coffee addict, swear never to drink that stuff again! Save more of your income after taxes and feel the squeeze so that you realize how ridiculous your car spending is.

RECOMMENDED CARS BY INCOME (TASTES MAY DIFFER) 

1/10th Rule Car Buying Chart Recommendation For 2015

Cars built in the 1990’s and beyond are so much more reliable than those built prior. If you are serious about improving your finances, consider buying a car with less options, and less electronics to deal with. The more you have loaded in your car, the more maintenance headaches you will have in the future.

Financial Status Based On Your Car Spending Habit Chart

THE CHOICE FOR GREAT WEALTH IS YOURS

Treat the 1/10th rule of car buying like a game. You will be surprised to find how many different type of cars you can buy with 1/10th your income if you make over $25,000 a year.

If you want a $30,000 car, get motivated by the 1/10th rule to figure out a way to make $300,000 a year. If you can’t get motivated, then fine. Just don’t think you can afford much more. Think about your future and the future of your family. A car is simply there to take you reliably from point A to point B. If you’re thinking about prestige and impressing others, don’t be silly. Owning a nice property is way more impressive because at least you can potentially make some money from the asset!

One of the worst combos is owning a car that you purchased for much more than 1/10th your gross income and renting. You now have two of your largest expenses sucking money away from you every single month. Think about all the wealthy people you know, or the millionaires next door. Chances are, the majority of them own their homes and drive used cars that don’t come close to 50% of their gross income.

If you want to achieve financial independence and not have to worry about material things stressing you out, follow my rule. If you want to detonate your finances and end up working longer than you want for the sake of a nicer ride, then go spend more than you can afford. One life to live right? All is good!

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Updated 2H2015

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Comments

  1. Tony says

    If your overly conservative this a great approach. Maybe for people who lack ambition in life?

    Why would I want to drive around in a busted 15 yr old Lexus or drive a generic box on wheels? In life you are supposed to enjoy the things you work hard for. If your only making $40-50k per year your not going to get rich or be rich.

    To say your going to risk $10-20k on stocks is also a risk and some would say a bigger risk than buying a reasonable car. I think when people fail it’s when they make $40-50k and they want to buy something beyond their means. Nobody that make $200-300k is going to drive a $20-30k vehicle very rare and I think if they are making enough they are smart enough to continue to earn at the level or earn more (because they are already doing it).

    The best way is to buy a car 2-4 yrs old with low miles you get a deep discount and the car is still new. It’s also not smart to put 20% down into something that depreciates. Put little to no money down and BUDGET your money accordingly before you make a purchase.

    Be realistic but don’t be a penny pincher all the time you will get no where in life. Some would if your a hard work, smart and ambitious having a few “more expensive” items will make you work harder and hustle…..

    • janet says

      Don’t forget. When you make $45,000 a year, and purchase a $4500. car, you will definitely be putting a lot of money into the car when things go wrong with the working parts. And for $4500 purchase, DO expect break downs.

    • Idon says

      “It’s also not smart to put 20% down into something that depreciates.”

      Disagree. In my opinion, the fact that it depreciates has absolutely nothing to do with your down payment. The down payment is about borrowing less and paying less interest. The fact that it depreciates is MORE reason to pay as much as you can out of pocket. Otherwise, you are losing financially on both the vehicle’s value and in interest.

      To take your line of thinking to the extreme, it’s like saying that even if you have the money, you should never pay cash for something that depreciates, that a car should always be financed.

      Is there something I am missing here?

      • Benji says

        Well, typically you can get an auto loan with an interest rate 1.9% or less. It’s fairly easy to earn more interest than that on the market.

        With that in mind, the less money put down the better, as long as you do something smart with your left over savings.

        Personally, I put down just enough to never be upside down. If I have a financed vehicle I try to make the loan so that I could drive down to CarMax at anytime and dump my vehicle on them. This way if I run into financial troubles I won’t be stuck with a car payment.

        • idon says

          I see what you’re saying, but an interest rate of 1.9% or better is usually a special financing offer, and only available on new cars. By using the 10% rule, you would have to be earning somewhere above $150k to find a new car that falls in line with both criteria.

          Bankrate.com says that the current interest rate on new cars is closer to 4.5%, and that a 36-month used car loan is coming in above 5%.

          • Benji says

            Yeah… I have 1.9 on both of my cars through my credit union.

            I don’t really abide by the 1/10th rule myself. It doesn’t accomplish anything for me. My car cost about 30% of my annual income, but if you were to add my motorcycle collection on top of the cost of my car my “transportation” expenses go well beyond 50% of my annual income.

            I make a pretty decent living, put away 15% of every check for retirement, spend maybe $300/yr on clothes, I don’t go out to eat, don’t have cable, my vacations consist of camping or track days, etc, etc.

            I guess what I’m getting at is there are many ways to live frugally, it’s just important to pick the areas that you don’t care about so much and cut costs there.

            Me, I really enjoy machines, so that’s where most of my money goes. I could care less about fancy dinners, clothes, and other status symbols.

            Luckily for us, in the United States we have such a vast system of National Parks that are easily accessible by car. Makes vacations dirt cheap, a one week vacation to Yellowstone for my girlfriend and I could be done for about $300. Not bad if you ask me.

            I love exploring our country and having a awesome car or motorcycle just makes the whole experience that much better.

    • says

      I make 200-210k/yr and I ride a freaking bicycle dude. I love the newest car designs, I really do. But I also see the stupidity of spending so much money on a new car, especially when I like walking and bicycling so much. I dunno, when I see money go into my accounts I always feel like I would have more fun investing it and becoming rich than buying stuff. Don’t get me wrong, I get tempted thinking “I could buy that!” but then I think I would rather invest it. One day I’ll have a brand new car, but when I do buy it I want to buy it because I’m rich and I can buy that luxury car in cash without it even making a dent in my net worth, or even making me blink.

      When I buy stuff now like groceries or my bike I recently bought, I didn’t even flinch. It’s a great feeling. I never want to feel the “ouch” of buying something like a luxury vehicle even though I can afford it on paper, even according to financial samurai’s spreadsheet. I plan on buying a car soon though, but it’ll be (according to my calculation) 2.4% of my annual income. And I feel like it’s only marginally worse than the luxury car. I’ve spent time in luxury cars before and they feel nice. But becoming rich feels WAY better. :)

      • Jamie says

        I am a bit confused by the rules here. If I spend a huge 50% of my income on a flashy new Landrover Discovery but then drive it into the ground 15 years from now, am I still spending less than 10% of my income on this? $50000/15 I would love to do this, but I fear the payments.
        Personally I just bought a Hyundai Santa fe with 100,000 miles on the clock for about $4,000 in the UK. If it goes for a couple of years I will be happy. People reading this thread should google “bangernomics” the rules of which dictate buying unloved classics and helping them see out their final days in glory.

        • Bud Mor says

          No, the author is suggesting that one should only buy a car worth 10% of one’s current annual income–i.e. not 10% per year.

          So to go for the $50K Landrover, one should have an annual income of $500K.

    • Yaramara says

      I agree, buy within your means but don’t pinch pennies. My husband and I work hard, very hard but we’re young. I make decent money for my age and qualifications (22, no degree) and my husband is military, and their pay is down right embarrassing.

      Based on this 1/10th rule, we would only be in the market for one car for about $8k or 2 cars for around $4k. I can say right now, that doesn’t work for me. If I was single, I could make that work, but not with a family.

      After my son was born, my car we had purchased a couple years prior, just wasn’t hacking it as a family car like we thought it would. So, we traded in my husbands car and bought a 2010 Nissan Pathfinder for about $25k. It’s an amazing vehicle, runs greats, and best yet it’s big enough for a couple more car seats and has all the safety features. (why would I shell out money for an older vehicle without air bags?).

      The car has the capability to grow with us, and I will not be needing to buy another anytime soon. We’re still looking to sell my car so we can save the payment towards a down payment on a new vehicle for my husband. I’m trying to get out of this car shuffle with no more than $45k in vehicle loans. While personally, I find that amount ridiculous, it is doable at our income level. We’re all set to have all debts paid off in less than a year aside from the vehicles, school loans, and the mortgage.

      My school loans are reasonable, and I consider the vehicles necessary. However, the house will be a rental property this time next year and we will be on the market for a new Forever Home. My husband’s earning potential goes up about $70k/year once he leaves the service (He’s a Reactor Operator), so the goal is for me to stay home for a few years, and still pocket the $40k extra a year that results. My mortgage is set to be paid off by the time my son is grown and fair market rent is around $1,600-$2,000 for the property at the moment.

      You can live and retire comfortably without acting like a pauper. And before I get any flack about not saving for retirement, we do. lol Our house is a large part of our retirement, but it is not the only thing. Our total investment in our retire plans (401k, Government Investment Account, Savings, Real Estate) comes in around $27k/year, so about 37% of our income give or take. I consider that not bad for two 20-somethings without degrees and a growing family to care for.

    • TT says

      “Nobody that make $200-300k is going to drive a $20-30k vehicle ”

      I make $300k and drive 14 years old car which I paid $12k cash twelve years ago.
      Will drive it as long as nothing major breaks, then I’ll buy a car that costs around $15k.

  2. says

    While some of your points are valid and I respect the concept behind your rule, it is a bit extreme even for most penny-pinching or otherwise conservative folks. Sure, your car’s price alone may be a significant % when compared directly to your gross salary. But a 35k dollar car on a 35k dollar net profit on salary after taxes is not a true 100% utilization of income. Unless you’re buying the car up front and in full with cash, which of course is stupid, you won’t necessarily be overburdening yourself. Financing or leasing are common and while they yield no equity or return of any monetary kind, these options may yield great personal enjoyment through the intangible. Happiness derived from car ownership is a valid justification for spending more than 10%, especially if the payments are affordable and made over a 3-5 year period of time. While the opportunity cost of leasing a car is obviously the returns from investing instead, this can’t be used as evidence supporting your theory by itself. Next, if you make 25k and buy a 2500 dollar car as a result of your theory, your maintenance cost will likely be substantial. Cheap, high-mileage used cars need parts and service and are likely not under warranty. Additionally, you can’t include parking ticket or traffic ticket costs as a likely expense if it isn’t guaranteed or consistent, even. I haven’t had a fine in 5 years. This isn’t a guaranteed expense and shouldn’t be used in support or opposition of a vehicle purchase. Only take into account the known or statistically significant variables.

    I must note that while your articles are mostly excellent and validated by fact and experience, this article and theory was poorly supported in my opinion. Point 1 on maintenance was dubious as an expensive car may require none and/or have maintenance covered by the warranty. Point 2 on opportunity cost is totally valid and on point. Number 3, less stress? A cheaper car is less stressful? I think you’re reaching on that. It’s an opinion and subjective by nature, but it isn’t even well supported. 4, makes you want other nice things? What evidence can you cite? Maybe someone just wants a nice car but is content with a cheap watch or basic clothing. Having a nice car and living lavishly are not mutually exclusive. But worst of all, point 5. Makes you feel stupid? Why would I feel stupid about a decision I made that required a great deal of thought and budgeting before the paperwork was signed. Not everyone values investing or returns or cash flow streams or savings plans as singularly as another might and one may value the expensive car for its pleasurable qualities more singularly than you, since you are content with a Honda. Opinions and tastes vary, but these differences are not indicative of intelligence. Only preference. To call someone stupid for passing on a POSSIBLE investment return in order to enjoy a vehicle which is a just as much a purchase out of necessity as it is out of intangible personal benefit. A smile on my face is important to me, maybe even more so than a non-guaranteed return on a small investment. If that investment ends up losing, the better choice is clearly the one improving my life and happiness.

    I love your work and admire what you’ve accomplished, but I can’t agree with your 1/10th theory and I think your points of support could use a bit more substance and objectivity rather than just personal opinion or anecdotal speculations.

    • P8 says

      Bravo and well said. A bit too opinionated/subjective of a theory, and in some instances straight-up unrealistic. How many people out there who earn $100K have purchased their vehicles for $10K or less? Hmmmm… let’s just say it’s probably 1/10th of 1/10th of 1/10th of the population. Being fiscally responsible is one thing (and a good thing), but 1/10th of one year’s salary is fairy-tale-like in nature. If this is how people actually lived almost everyone would be taking transit. Spending 10% or less of one’s income per year is probably more realistic.

      • Shawn says

        I’m near six figures and I’m driving a car less than 1/10th my income. I did recently spend $500 to replace brake and rotors but besides that much less stress than my “enjoyable” performance car that was 1/10th of my take home pay. There’s a huge difference between worrying about someone hitting my car then and now. I estimate that it would of cost me $1500 to replace the Brembo rotors and pads on my performance car.

        Within the next 3 months I’ll be car-less and no longer a home owner after I move locations; even less stress. Don’t get me wrong I plan on buying a fun car again but not until I can pay cash for it without thinking about it along with only using it as a weekend warrior.

      • Brenda says

        I make in the $100k range, and have never bought a new car. Never. The last used car I bought was well below the $10K range.

      • Pete says

        I make >$130k and drive an 12 year old Civic I bought for $4k and now have 200k miles on it and I have a 15 year old Ram 1500 I picked up for $1200 with 175k miles for those trips to Home Depot and such things that only a truck will do. So, I have two vehicles which solves the “reliability” issue everyone complains about and I’m still under 5% of my annual income. I drive 30k miles/year (>2x national average) and budget $100/month for vehicle maintenance (which includes tires) and never go through it all.

        There are two generally accepted “Rules of Thumb” for what your mortgage payment should be: <=25% of your take home pay or that the purchase price should be 3-5x your gross income (depending on down payment, 5%-20% down). Either way when you calculate it, you're looking at roughly 25-30% of your take home pay being considered a good idea. This way you can still invest, save for retirement, and have a good overall quality of life. But, when you pause and think about it, that's for something that over the long term appreciates in value, but yet people want to spend anywhere from 25-100% of their annual income on a single vehicle… and a lot of households go buy two of them and double down on their losses. (Yes, I know there's a difference of once per 5 years buying that car vs paying it every year for your house, but try paying that extra 25% towards your mortgage instead of a car and you just took a 30 year mortgage down to 10 years).

        The point of the article and most like this: the more you spend on things that go down in value, the more you're sacrificing either the long term and/or the things you can enjoy now. If you haven't read The Millionaire Next Door, then you really should stop by your library and pick it up.

        People with real wealth are not spending a large percentage of their yearly income on vehicles. Once you start the investment ball rolling, it grows fast and you don't have to drive cheap cars for long before you have increased your income, whereby increasing the value of the cars you can drive. Not to mention having increased your overall quality of life as well in the process. The majority of people simply "want it now" because "they can afford the payments".

        Our grandparents had the right philosophy: pay yourself first, live below your means, and pay for things with cash. There are reasons it takes two incomes now to live a lower quality of life than our grandparents had. Inflation is one reason, but buying things on credit before you can afford them isn't financially smart… if it was, we wouldn't be talking about how student loans, national debt, and credit cards are crippling the future of our children.

        • Benji says

          You make some good points, but the thing that a lot of people over look is that it isn’t necessarily how much you spend solely on your car, rather it’s how much you spend on “consumables”.

          Someone who buys a car that costs 25% of the annual income sure did spend a lot on that vehicle. However, if she doesn’t really buy much else in the way of consumables she could be better off than her neighbor who has a car that cost 5% of their income but goes on extravagant vacations every year.

          The key is figure out how much money you want to invest each year and then figure out how much you have to spend on the consumables that make you happy.

          For some people cars bring happiness, for others its vacations, fancy food, nice clothes, etc. I guess my point is it’s important to be financially responsible, but not everyone has the same passions. If you don’t like cars and only need it for basic transportation by all means abide by the 1/10th rule and spend your money else where. However, I don’t see the harm in cutting down on the food budget or clothing budget or vacation budget to spend more on vehicles if that’s what makes one happy.

      • Ben says

        Interest rates on auto loans are very low, you would make more money investing the extra cash and making payments.

        If you take out a 60 month car note at 2% you will pay $361 in interest the first year. If instead you invest that money at 7% you would have earned $1446 in interest.

        So if you took out that loan and invested your $20,000 your net interest income would be $1,085.

        The interest earnings of $1,085 is earnings you couldn’t get if you had paid $20,000 cash for the car up front.

  3. Leon says

    Even though a new car say 26K and you are earning 60K, by the time you are done paying it you would have paid 35K in 5-6 years. If you drive 30K a year by the time its 3 years you will need to pay for your own repairs before then.

    What I did when I was earning 60K was I bought a 5K car cash and earmarked about 2K for repairs for one year. I spend 1K of tha in one year. The car was 10 years old but I kept it for another 6 and spent on tires and repairs about 3K for that period. And I drove it for about 60K miles in 6 years with nothing major

    Its better than buying that new car and costing me 6K in payments every year plus 800 more in insurance.

    When I buy a used car I make sure it has the timing belt changed and clutch if it is manual. If not I use that as a bargaining chip.

    A car is a tool and it is ridiculous that it would cost you so much per year. If you are paying 800 in payment a month and your take home is about 4K then something is very wrong

  4. Glenna says

    You can also look up your local tax incentives to
    see which option pays more in the long run. You can expect to get paid for your vehicle
    in some cases on the spot during pickup or, in some cases, no later than 14 days via check.
    Another question to ask is whether you need to deliver the junk car or if
    they will pick it up.

  5. says

    I appreciate your thoughts as always, my man.

    This post comes at a good time. We were in a car accident that cause $8k of damage to our $13k-ish valued 2007 Honda Pilot EX-L with 107k miles on it. (Couldn’t convince them to just total it. Yes, we will be seeking reimbursement for the diminished value of the vehicle, too).

    With that much damage, I’m concerned about it’s integrity as a family vehicle — and I’m especially concerned about it “croaking” from some hidden damage 6 months down the road when I still have a lot of loan left on it.

    So I actually found myself looking at Certified Pre-Owned Replacements. I love the fact that we will have lower repairs (the previous car averaged almost $200/month in maintenance) and that if something serious goes wrong, we will have a powertrain warranty.

    But the ones I like will put us at the 27.5% mark. So. Whaa.

    Anyhow, the one thing I wanted to mention is that the Cash For Clunkers program has really, really hurt the little guy. Until 2 years ago I only bought in the $1k-ish range. Prior to the 2009 program, you could get a lot of car for $1k. After they snatched up all those cars, the used car market has become really pricey, and I think we will continue to see those effects for another 2-3 years.

    It’s a side effect that has really hurt, and one that is often overlooked.

  6. Kale says

    I have read this article a number of times to digest. The first time I was appalled. After revisiting it again, I decided to trade in my Infiniti with a $480 payment for a used Civic (4k miles) for a $250 payment. Between consulting and my main job I make about $210k per year. Even though it was not a stretch on finances I relish in not having to pay for $80-$100 oil changes and $60 fillups with premium gas. Not to mention there is a certain satisfaction of driving up in your $13k car and making a decent living. I am 28, owned 10 vehicles in my lifetime, love cars, love trucks, and anything that goes fast. I get my fix when I travel and get a rental car. I’ll pay the additional $20 for the Challenger. It is fun but then I think about how it would cost $400 a month more in a car payment, $200 more per month in gas, and $100 more per month in maintenance and insurance. I ask myself, is this something that is worth $700 more per month or would I rather take my wife on two vacations to Sandals that year. Yep, i’ll drive the Civic.

    • says

      Nice job! Save and invest the extra money over the years and you’ll be surprised at how much more wealth you’ll be able to accumulate.

      The joy of getting to point B, but much cheaper is great. Less stress involved with a cheaper car too.

  7. Benji says

    WHY YOU SHOULD SPEND MORE THAN 10% OF GROSS ON A CAR

    1) Maintenance costs:
    Simple, don’t get parking tickets or traffic tickets. Insurance on a new vehicle is more, but still not that bad. Maintenance is certainly cheaper on a more expensive car (to a degree).

    2) Opportunity cost.
    Oh… watching assets grow, fun! Not really, now driving a car one really enjoys, that’s fun! Anyways, what’s the point of having money if your not going to spend it?

    3) Stress. Paying more than 1/10th of your income for a car doesn’t make one stressed, it simply means one purchased the WRONG car.

    4) Makes you want more. On the contrary, have you seen how Jay Leno dresses?

    5) Makes you feel stupid. Not really, nothing beats taking a hard corner at nearly 1g and accelerating out full throttle with not the slightest concern that your vehicle is going to explode.

    • bmwdude26 says

      Attention author of the blog and all readers of the blog. You both are taking the 1/10 ratio wrong!! You can spend 10% of your annual salary on a car and have a brand new or even a pre-owned luxury car.
      Take the average annual income of $50,000. 10% of that is $5,000, divided into 12 months and that’s a $500 monthly car note. Do less of an amount, if you don’t want anything that extravagant.
      You’ll repeat steps 1 & 2 next year. Get it?! Why does it work, you ask? Because you are only spending 10% of your annual salary, key word annual!!!
      Author please do a fact check on advises, before blogging incorrectly.
      Readers use your minds once in a while. Go ahead and get that 10% annual car note. :)

      • James says

        This doesn’t seem like solid advice. Not sure if you’re trolling or what but 10% annually is too much. I would be in a 2015 Corvette Z06(I love corvettes) if I was unwise enough to spend 10% of my annual income on a car note… Let me guess, I need to spend 40% of my income on house payments as well?

  8. James says

    People claiming they can’t get a fun car for their budget aren’t being honest just have a very narrow view on how to have fun driving. If you’re looking for a cheap sports car the answer is always Miata. You can get a running project car for around $1000 in my area or buy a solid one for $3000. You could afford have one of the best driver’s cars on a $30,000 salary. Make more money get something newer. 350z start around $6000, C5 corvette around $10,000… The list goes on. Not many legitimate excuses for overspending on transportation.

    • Benji says

      Oh yeah, the Miata is an awesome car! I’d love to own one, unfortunately even at $3,000 that’s too much for a second vehicle for me. I drive 30,000 miles/yr for business in my 2014 Focus ST. Sure I could have got a higher performance, higher mileage car for less money, but the reliability factor just wouldn’t be there.

      Anything that doesn’t have to get me to clients I tend to spend less money on. For example I have three motorcycles (2009 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Yamaha R6, 2009 Honda CRF230l) that I have acquired over the last few years, each one has been less than 1/10th my income and was paid for in cash.

      Sure I could cut a lot of money out of my vehicle budget, but the thing that I always come back to is rather simple.

      I’m not sure what I would do with the extra money, I honestly can’t think of a better way to spend my money. I could save 30% of my income for retirement rather than 15%, but I’m not sure that would actually bring me happiness.

      Money doesn’t buy happiness, but adrenaline sure does.

      • James says

        It’s definitely good that you’re saving 15% for retirement. Nothing wrong with with being an adrenaline junkie ether… I just think it limits you future wealth by too much when you buy a brand new vehicle like that. The Focus ST is a pretty cool car but like you said the performance bargains found on the used market make it almost a no brainer buying used. As far a reliability goes cars like the Miata and Corvette are known for being bulletproof and lasting hundreds of thousands of miles. It’s not like you can’t have fun while being cheap as well. Instead of buying a 20k Polaris RZR like some of my coworkers I have a 2001 Honda 400EX and a 2002 CRF 450R for when I have fun in the dirt. On the street I ride 2007 Ninja 650R. All those toys were had for less than $4000.

        • Benji says

          True, the Corvette and Miata just wouldn’t work out for me, but there’s other options. I suppose I could have picked up a used Mazdaspeed3 or GTI instead of the Focus. I think next time around I’ll go that route, but for now I’m going to drive the Focus another 200,000 miles hopefully.

          Next time I get a car it’ll be used for sure, but probably will still be about 20% of my income. A nice three year old MS3 with 45,000 miles on it really wouldn’t be so bad.

          The thing that I always come back to though is that I put 2.5x times more miles on my car than the average driver every year. So I don’t necessarily like higher mileage vehicles.

          For instance with my Focus I paid 23,000 OTD, with the 15,000 MS3 I would pay about 16-17,000 OTD. If you assume the Speed3 had 45,000 miles on it and both cars made it to 200,000 miles the price difference ends up being about 1 cent per mile. If you multiply 200,000 by 1 cent I would actually only save about $2,000 (by going with the MS3) over the course of 200,000 miles by going used, rather than the $6,000-7,000 initial price difference.

          I guess what I’m getting at is that it’s important to take into consideration mileage with a used vehicle when you consider it’s total cost.

          Toys are definitely an area where it’s easy to cut costs though, as there is about a million low mileage cheap motorcycles out there. I’m sure the Ninja 650 is a blast, that bike is very similar to my FZ6. Cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, and every bit as fun as a $20,000 motorcycle on the street. I ran into issues once I started doing track days with my FZ6 though, hence why I bought ended up with an R6 also.

          Sorry if I’m rambling a lot.

  9. Jonathan says

    Without looking at all the replys, I would like to suggest that there are times when this rule should not be followed…

    My car (bought used, paid cash for) broke down last year in January. I had to decide real fast if I wanted to spend the money and labor (I do my own auto work) to fix it, or if it was time to get something that wouldn’t break down for a while. While I was sitting on the side of the road waiting for a tow, I was scouring the internet, and found that I could lease a Nissan Leaf for $169 a month (with $3k down). This was interesting because I was currently spending an average of about $300 a month on gasoline in my current car… which would equate to my lease payment being half as much as I was previously paying for gas.

    I did some more searching, and eventually ended up picking out the Chevy Spark EV. I put a minimal down payment, and got a lease of $288 a month. Now, my car payment is less than I was paying for gas, and I average about a buck and a half a day on electricity when I charge at home, and less when I charge at the many free charging stations around town. So lets say that $288+$45 ~ $333 minus public charging = a little more than I was paying for gas.

    This doesn’t even factor in the cost of oil changes, which most people have to do every 3 months/3000 miles (if you listen to the lube shop) or 6 months/6000 miles (if you actually read your owners manual and don’t drive in the dust and dirt all the time). There are no oil changes for the Spark EV, or any EV for that matter… so while it cost more than a comparably equipped gasoline powered car, my costs are actually about the same as they were before I had a car payment, and now I have a car that has FAR less moving parts to worry about breaking down. There’s no transmission (and no transmission fluid to change), no belts to change (especially no timing belt…), no spark plugs to change, no air filter to clean or replace, and did I mention; I get to drive around in a quiet, comfortable, and brand new car?

  10. Stinger says

    I understand the financial sense in the article but at the same time one must be able to enjoy the things in life which they work hard for. I am very frugal but sometimes I sit back and feel like I work hard enough to buy anything I can afford. At age 19, I was earning $22K a year and treated myself to a brand new Toyota Corolla for $20 000. One will disagree and bash me but three years later, the car is paid off, I have a decent amount of money stashed away and I have NO financial problems.

    If one spends the majority of money and saves little or nothing then I understand why they can’t go buying fancy cars. I also have placed some of my money in the stock market but I wish to not take big risks.

    I’m 22 and earn $60K a year and is yet to complete my Bachelor’s degree and I am in need of an AWD car since I had a bad winter with my current car. I know I can buy a used SUV for $10K to 15K but I choose to buy an Infiniti Q50 AWD for $28 000.

    Again, I prepare for years of rainy days and have no credit card debts. I contribute 6% pre taxed to retirement savings, 25% to special savings and balance to rainy day account.

    I just pray that I don’t die and leave all this money so I enjoy it while I am alive.

    • says

      The demographic at biggest risk of blowing their money on cars is Male between the age of 18-25.

      Cars are intoxicating for males, during school and right after getting their first real paycheck. 10 years from now, I’d like you to revisit this article and ask yourself whether you would have rather invested the $28,000 instead.

      • stinger says

        I probably will look back and say damn I was young back then. I have been receiving $3500 month commission paycheck and $1200 biweekly pay checks and I don’t k ow what to expect when I get a rea paycheck.

        When I get a real paycheck, I can imagine the car I’ll be driving and house I’ll be living in .

        I do not disagree with the article but one article cannot define everyone’s situation or way they should spend on cars.

        If one is spending money on cars, with little or no income and no savings then God be with them and save them.

        When you’re earning money and saving money, it’s time you treat yourself and be happy before the money is all gone and you never got a chance to live off it.

        Remember as mentioned earlier, I save close to 50% of my annual income and some goes back into paying for school.

  11. Zero says

    Great article, spot on.

    Wow, so many people here shuddering at the thought of driving a car worth less than 10k, choosing to spend 30 or 40% of their income on a car! That’s not including the interest.

    You guys realise we’re not talking about dealer 2nd hand cars, right? We’re talking about private sales. There’s so many bargains out there.

    These people not only have a poor understanding of money, but also automobiles. Or they’ve already made this huge mistake and refuse to accept it.

    Christ, I’ve got a 2005 ford work car outside that drives beautifully after over 360,000 km (220,000+ miles). Paid about $7500 dollars for it 7 years ago. Modern, powerful, reliable, fuel efficient vehicle bought for 1/4 of it’s original price just 3 and a half years after it was made. Never missed a beat until 350,00km when the automatic transmission (which had never been serviced) started to slip a little bit, got it swapped out for a low mileage trans for $900. Away we go. When the engine does finally die (these ford straight 6’s can get up to 600,000km) I will swap that out for about $1200, unless its like 2025 and I decide to scrap it.

    My insurance payments? $140 a year for 3rd party property, that’s it. Only a mad person would pay for comprehensive insurance on a car that can be fixed or completely replaced so cheaply.

    Mine is an extreme example, but anyone can do this with almost any vehicle they want.

    You’re all wasting your money and making others rich.

    But, each to their own.

    • Jb says

      How much coverage do you get for $12 a month?

      That wouldn’t come close to being enough insurance to protect me/my assets in case of an accident.

      • Zero says

        It’s 3rd party property coverage.

        It traditionally covers the cost of any damage done to others property in an accident. My particular policy also covers my vehicle for up to $5k if I get hit by an uninsured driver and am not at fault. Fire and theft coverage was a few dollars more per month but I didn’t bother with it.

        The point was that when you drive a cheap car, then you don’t need to pay for full coverage. I only pay for 3rd party coverage in case I rear end a Ferrari or something ridiculous.

  12. Zero says

    For everyone getting worked up about the 1/10th rule, just relax. Not hard to tell which posters have already wasted the money, but there’s still hope for the rest of you.

    It’s not a hard and fast rule, the basic advice is don’t buy a new or expensive car that you can’t afford. No matter how much you try to convince yourself, you don’t need it.

    Forget those on $500k per year, they can buy a Ferrari if they want one, it doesn’t really apply.

    For people with a regular income, just try and keep the purchase price under $10k (ideally closer to $5k), very manageable figures. Also think about the price of repairs and parts, second hand transmissions, diffs, struts, engines etc. You’d be amazed at how cheaply a wrecking mechanic will source and fit these things for more common vehicles, normally with 3-6 month warranties, enough time to put it through it’s paces and “test” it ;).

    The reliability argument. Non-factor. If it’s post 2000 and not huge on miles, and from a reliable manufacturer, it will work out cheaper on maintenance than a new or more expensive car 95% of the time, and if you choose wisely, all major repairs are relatively cheap anyway (see above).

    Think about it, a $30k car vs a $5k car… That’s 6 x $5k cars you could buy for 1 x $30k car. Even with the worst luck ever, choosing famously unreliable cars from shitty manufacturers, and never doing any basic maintenance, you could blow up 4 x $5k cars in 10 years, abandon them on the side of the road and completely replace them, and still be $10k better off than driving a $30k for 10 years.

    Regardless, if you buy a $5k car that’s known to be a reliable make and model, that’s not too old and doesn’t have massive mileage, then you have a reliable car.

    Choose one that has a timing chain rather than a belt, maybe replace the cooling hoses as preventative maintenance, change the fluids, perhaps new spark plugs are in order if you really want to splurge, and have a mechanic give it a once over. A few hundred dollars and you can rest easy. After that, just change the oil and filter somewhat regularly and all that other normal stuff.

    It’ll be just as reliable as your new car will be in 3 or 4 years time (which is almost no different to when new), and you’ve saved an absolute fortune and don’t feel like a sucker.

  13. John says

    Sam, where do you live? I am in Northeast Ohio. This will become pertinent in a minute.

    I drive a 2000 Celica GTS that I bought new. I drive very carefully and do not abuse the car, and have only 100,000 miles on it. This year it has taken $1800 in repairs so far (It is only June). Last year it took $2500. Note I have an independent mechanic who is excellent and charges 50-60% of dealer costs.

    Most of the repairs are not items that have worn out due to use but rust is the problem. I just broke a strut: It rusted through. The resonator pipe: Rusted through. Brakes including calipers get major corrosion after only one winter, so I just replaced rotors that were at 60% but were destroyed by rust. The parking brake cables ($340 or so for that repair) corroded completely apart. This is an item which takes very little stress over its life. I replaced sway bars and I cannot be sure, but our pot holes from the winter act like Freddie Krueger on car suspensions.

    This vehicle is worth < $4000 on the open market but these last five years' worth of repairs would have put a MAJOR chunk down on the median $24k car that you warn sternly against.

    I suspect the repair curve will plummet for a few years now, but I do not really know, it could continue! To mitigate risk I could take your advice and buy a $6,000 or $7,000 vehicle and sell my current vehicle, only to replace a large number of items very soon for the same reasons.

    Lamenting the repairs to my mechanic he responded: "I bet you did not do much to this car for a long time, right?" "Yes for 7 or 8 years I did absolutely nothing, and little for 10 years." "Well, I am doing similar repairs to yours on Fords and Chevys that have only 30,000 miles on them. Our weather is a big cause of this." So the Toyota is still king, but remains a patsy to salt and snow.

    If you are in the Sunbelt, you may have different problems like the dashboard drying out and not looking so great, and faded seats, but not tens of components just falling apart before their time. (?)

    I am thinking of an SUV to replace this vehicle. The industry leading depreciation of say a new or certified Honda CRV or Toyota Tacoma is looking darn good about now. If my calculations are correct (?) I see about $1600 per year average depreciation for these leading vehicles over a ten year span. It is anyone's guess; will my car average above or below that for its second decade? I am tired of guessing and a well-defined $1600 figure is more attractive than the rust lottery.

    My mechanic recommended a BMW X3 at $8,000 that he has been servicing. He likes the German vehicles because they are all stainless steel underneath, including the fasteners. That sounds great however the owner is a divorcee who is selling because the X3 is nickel and diming her to death.

    I am not looking for a reason to get a shiny new vehicle. My wife and I are debt free. We eat out <5 times per year and do not have cable TV. We live more simply than any other educated professionals that we know. Gurus like you are correct, it has become addictive to save money and have emergency money, and not live paycheck to paycheck to feed a material lifestyle.

    Thus, if I could be one of those people who bought a $3,000 car and drove it for 3 years with $200 in repairs, I would be the first to line up. I cannot find the line for the free lunch though. Where is it?

    • says

      What is your income though? $8,000 for a car seems reasonable with a $80,000 income.

      I live in San Francisco, the cheapest international city in the world right now IMO.

      I totally hear you on being the Rust Belt or living near the corrosive ocean and having to spend more money maintaining a car. Something to consider when buying a vehicle… where you live, where the vehicle has lived before you buy!

  14. lj says

    Is it smart to have 4 soon to be five cars when you are making 400k a yr with 2 million net worth. 2015 jeep 40k. 2014 truck 25k van 10k car 14k another car 10k =100k

  15. Foreal says

    Save your money if that is what you want to do. I work hard, I play hard. I also invested a lot. not in the stock market, but in oil and gas. Now I am able to invest in real estate. I am 32 years old make almost 7 figures a year and have millions in the bank. If you want it? go get it!!!!! I was given nothing in my life by anyone, but an opportunity to work hard. I started off making 10.00 an hour 14 years ago working for the man.

  16. Michael says

    Sam,

    How would you apply this rule to a married couple driving two vehicles? 5% of combined gross income per car? Or 10% per car? Or, since 20% total seems high, yet couples generally enjoy more efficient living expenses overall, perhaps call it 15% of combined gross income total for both cars?

    My wife and I drive two vehicles currently worth about 7-8% of our CGI combined. We are 26 and our gross is around 175k. We own both free and clear and I don’t intend to change that ever. No more car payments for me.

    I bet we will make it another 5-6 years before my wife’s needs replacement, and mine will hopefully last 10-12 years. The thought of how much money I will save/invest in that time makes me salivate! If I were purchasing a car for one of us tomorrow for some reason, I would probably aim for about 8% of our CGI in cash.

    • benji says

      Man… what do you do?! My wife and I make about 110k combined. I’m 25 and she’s 24, there’s no way we could hit 175k in two years!! I’m a bit jealous. Although it could be a geographical difference.

      • Michael says

        I am an engineer and she works in marketing for an international corporation. We live in the expensive Northeast. The interesting thing about personal finance is that your income level is only part of the story. With a relatively high rate of saving and no expensive debt, you can fairly quickly eclipse people who earn much more than you, but overspend like crazy. According to Personal Capital, our NW is $283.5k as of today. If you had told me that 4 years ago when I was dead broke after a trip to Europe, I would have laughed at you.

  17. Erin says

    My husband and I bought our 1995 Ford Explorer for $1800 three years ago (less than 2% of our yearly income). When we put our kayak on top, it more than doubles the worth of the car! The “Proud Vietnam Veteran” bumper sticker that we haven’t bothered to take off really adds to our street cred.

  18. Jay says

    So nobody is going to ask this guy how his advice is even possible to follow let alone smart?

    The cheapest new cars are around $13,000. So how much would you have to be making to buy the bargain basement new car? (Hint: think, $130,000). Good luck finding people on that salary that will buy a car that probably doesn’t have air conditioning standard and that might have to roll the windows down to cool down (hehehe “roll”, fun times huh). And these people tend buy much more expensive cars than $13,000. Don’t believe me? Who the heck is keeping BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc in business? You don’t buy those cars for under $4,200 unless it’s on victory lap.

    Next, if the medium income as you say is $42,000 that means half the working class can only buy up to a $4,200. But that’s not even the worst part. What percent of people actually make enough to buy a new car within 10% of their income??? 11% dude. 11. ELEVEN! 89% have to buy used cars.

    BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE!!! How are used cars made???? New car drivers make them!!! How on Earth is 11 percent of employed people going to buy enough cars and then drive them enough them enough miles/years to artificially create the supply to go with the EIGHTY NINE PERCENT of the employed’s demand???

    $4,200 cars exist soley BECAUSE the majority of people DON’T follow your, ummm, are we still calling it advice? What would the country be like if they even COULD follow your… uh…. words? The used car market wouldn’t exist! We would be back to square one: Only the rich could afford those “people movers” which means very few cars needed, no competition from just a couple car manufactures. Let’s say these people were nice enough to want to single handedly change things (LOL, this is rich…. get it? hahah)? That means for every rich new car buyer, (s)he would have to buy 9 cars each (11:89 ratio roughly), put lots of kms on ALL of them and then be willing to sell them to desperate middle class people (and people making “only” $100k to $129k) who need to get around, for a fair price. The public transit system can’t immediately accomodate that many people. I don’t even think the New York system could handle 89% of working new yorkers that’s the best the USA has to offer.

    Sucks to be anyone in a city with no real public transit making under $25000 in your world. Gotta find a horse I guess, YYEEEEEHHHAAAAAAWWWW!!!

    How about you give a % for house price now? 30% maybe? So median worker buys a $12,600 house? Too much huh. We are after all trying to get rich or die trying. Excessive frost bite from being homeless up north in January will surely do that from the parking spot we were able to buy.

    Let’s go ALL OUT. 100% on housing!!! (in my most evil laugh and pinky to the lip.) Who needs food and transport anyways. Find me that $42,000 home. Does it come with pet roaches?

    Recheck the math. Have a good one.

    • says

      Wow, that was definitely a huge rant.

      You seem to be trolling, but just in case, here’s how you do it.

      Buy a used $4200 car instead of the $25k car. Instead of having a $20k loan with $358.93/month payments (based on 5 years @ 2.95% interest… you know most people don’t get that low of a rate right?). If you drive that $4200 car for 5 years and instead invest that $358.93/month into an S&P index fund… which has averaged 11.8% year over year for the last 72+ years… but we’ll base our calculations on just 8% to be fare so people don’t freak out about 12% interest. You’ll have $26,350.48 in that account.

      Lets say your $4200 car explodes… as in, it literally blows up into a giant fireball and you didn’t even have insurance. You manage to get NPR to come pick it up for free, just so you don’t have to pay someone to remove it and you get your $5 tax deduction for burnt scrap metal…

      Now, assume you’re a loser and in 5 years you’ve never gotten a raise, so you’re still making $42k, but your $26k is making 8% also, so you’re actually making $42k+2,100 = $45,100. If you just restrain yourself one more time… and buy a $4,500 car and keep investing that $358.93/month… your investment account has $26k-4,500 (were else did the money come from to buy that car right?) = $21,850…. plus your $358.93/month… in another 5 years… is worth $58,455.

      Now, lets say you’re like F’ this! it’s been 10 years I’m buying a new car with cash for $30k out of that $58k. Because that other $4500 car got vaporized by little green men and you still didn’t have insurance on it, so you get $0 from it. Lets assume you started later too.. so you started all this when you were 30, so now you’re 40 and have a $30k car paid in cash. You leave that other $28k in the account and keep adding that $358.93/month… when you’re 65…

      You’ll have $523k… again, still invested, so still earning 8%… and you’re still a loser, so you’re still making $42k… but you’re actually making $42k + $41,840… and you won’t be a burden on society when you retire because you actually have money. Oh yeah, and you’ve been able to buy new cars for a while now too.

      If you look beyond right now and can grasp what happens over time when you actually invest money, you’ll see it clearly. But if you manage to justify making the decision to remain broke on the basis of “If people don’t buy new cars there will be no used cars”, then I doubt you’re going to comprehend what compounding interest does in my example above. Because in reality, there’s plenty of used cars in existence in this country and if people actually followed basic financial wealth building principles like this, there will be plenty of us buying new cars and selling used cars.

      By the way: I have two vehicles, total value of both combined is under $5k. My house was less than 100% of my yearly income. I bought a house well within my means so I could invest more, no cockroaches either! 7 years later it’s 2x the value, I haven’t been a loser and managed to get raises, so the mortgage is now only 8% of my take home pay, which means more gets invested each month.

      Whether you say you can or say you can’t do it, you’re right. But, it’s doable if you choose to. So I suggest you ‘recheck the math’. Because the math isn’t wrong, you’re inability to restrain your spending is.

      • flier says

        So Pete, tell me where can I find a car that costs 4200$ on purchase and nothing on maintenance to keep it mobile and reliable?
        Seriously, I want one!

        I may be inclined to go overboard on reliability, just because I don’t want to look for a new job after I don’t show up when my car dies 500 miles away from home (i.e. weekend trip). And I’m not interested in paying 800$ for towing.

        Repairs are not free, and 500$ can be easily twice a year, particularly on an older car … for some trivial matter (intermittent short killing the battery, power steering leaking, cooler leaking).

        • D-Rock says

          I couldn’t agree more. I’ve unknowingly always followed this rule because I refuse to finance a depreciating asset, but it has caused heartache over the years. The major flaw of this article is ignoring the reality that fully depreciated cars are not free to operate. Here on Earth, they require more maintenance than when new, and yes I’m talking about more than tires/oil changes/brakes.

          If it was 10%*(Gross Income) purchase price, and lets say no more than 5%*(Gross Income) in maintenance, wouldn’t you be in the same spot financially after 5 years if you bought a newer/nicer model for 25%*(Gross Income) and half the maintenance cost. For every success story of buying a beater and driving it for years with minimal maintenance, I’m sure there are 10x as many money pits that aren’t worth the time, money or grief people put into them every month.

          And just so I have my facts straight, I would like to know where $42K/year median per capita income was derived from? That may be average, but not median. Google says $52K/year/household and $27K/year/person. Now our $4200 example is really more like 15%, or 50% more car. As a car guy in general, I’m telling you buying a $6750 car (25% of Google’s per capita income) is WORLDs ahead of buying and maintaining $2700 money “saver”. Oh and let’s not forget all the people who may be reading this (eh hem half) that cannot pull down $27K/year who may be interested in improving their financial situation as well

          I understand the objective of this article, but please let’s all be adults about the true mathematics/economics of driving a beater.

          • says

            Ah, but I have taken into account the cost of ongoing maintenance with my 1/10th rule.

            In the 1980s and earlier, cars broke down all the time. Today, cars are so much more reliable. So even if you get a 10 year old car from 2005, the ongoing maintenance expense is much better than a 10 year old car from 1985 or 1995.

            I drove a “beater” worth $2,500 – $10,000 from 2004 – 2014 (it was a 2000 Land Rover Discovery, famous for its problems). I didn’t have anything out of the ordinary in terms of maintenance expenses, and this car is at the top of perceived problems. Now think about a 2004 Honda Civic or Corolla driver. The maintenance expenses are not as much as people think.

            The lemons get blown out of proportion.

        • says

          Well, I actually own two of them and drive 30k miles/year. One I bought for $4k and average about $200 in maintenance on it and spend about $400 on tires every 3 years, so ~$130/year more.. total right around $330/year in maintenance. The other one I bought for $1200, put $600 tires on it when I bought it and had to replaced the fuel pump for $120. I’ve had that for over 2 years now and have put about 15k miles on it. Besides changing the oil and that pump, nothing else has been needed.

          You’re forgetting that they are ‘disposable’ cars for the most part, so you don’t fix every little thing that breaks. The one I had prior I bought for $1k and it cost about $300/year in maintenance/tires. I drove it for over 60k miles in 3 years before the engine finally just seized up. I know $1k is a bit extreme, but under $4200 is completely doable. I’ve personally have done it 3 times, 4 if you include the $850 motorcycle I used to commute on for 2 years (which I actually sold for $1k after those two years)

          You can make excuses but in reality, a $4k car is reliable if you buy things based on mechanical condition as opposed to what “looks good”. The $1k cars left me on the side of the road about once every 2 years waiting for my $75/year AAA membership to get used, but my $4k vehicles haven’t done that yet. But you’re entire assumption is based on new cars not breaking down, which, if you stalk a repair shop for even a day, you’ll learn that they actually do as well. Besides, if you’re actually saving/investing that money you didn’t spend on the car, you can easily rent a car for the one week every 2 years for what you would have been paying monthly.

          Realize also that I also do 30k miles/year, which is double the average. So my 2-3 years is most people’s 4-6 year span in terms of maintenance, cost and wear and tear on cars.

      • Benji says

        At 1.9% interest the board on my horse would get me a 30,000 car with a 60 month loan. That’s not including any of the other expenses.

        I’d say you could roll around in a pretty nice off lease BMW for what a horse would cost.

        Btw, I’m pretty cheap with the horse. Could spend a lot more.

  19. Hanegi says

    Sam,

    First of all, great website.

    30y/o, I earn 120-130K and have 100k saved. I live in Japan and I need 4500$ to go through a month. This includes everything. I save 1/3 of my income.

    I love cars, I mean I am REALLY passionate about them: your article and most of the comments make perfect sense to me as most of you look at cars as a mean to go from A to B. I have the same approach for clothes (10 bucks v-necks and Chuck Taylor’s) and many other things.

    In short, I have very little expenses, cook all my meals, don’t go out for dinners or drinks and just go on a couple holidays a year, but I love cars and I am planning to buy…a 65000$ one, in cash.

    It’s a used Nissan GT R from 2000, these cars are actually getting even more expensive as the time goes by, but I’m not planning to sell it as I’ve been chasing it since I was 20 years old and I can’t actually believe that I am in a position to buy one.

    It will add great value to my life and it’s the only passion I have, but I’m not happy to see 2/3 of my savings go as it will take sometime to get them back.

    What’s your advice for somebody in my position?

    Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

    • Melissa says

      I am in the same boat as you.
      I am looking to spend 50 of my 100 on a 1M, limited production vecichle only around 800 ever made.
      I am scared too but I do not want car payments and I intend on keeping this car forever.
      I think you should go for it.
      You are good with your money, you will save it up again in a couple of years.
      And just think all the joy your car will bring you.
      I am a gear head too, I feel your pain.
      Good Luck!

      • Hanegi says

        Melissa,

        Thanks!

        I wake up every morning wishing I had the fever for motorbikes instead, that would be much cheaper!

        I have been following Sam for a while and I know that he is a bit of a car but too, but I think I am on a different level. I mean, spend my weekends tracking down old Motorsport magazines and DVDs for 3 bucks on the web. I go trackside to watch live racing and I just spent the weekend with very little sleep as I was following the live streaming of the 24 Hours of SPA. I bought a scale model of that car in 2003 and I have been looking at it ever since.

        The car is not new, is not fancy and, for most people, not even pretty. I’m paying the money not for possessing it, but for the experiences that I am planning to have with it. Still, it’s a big, though world and I’d like to hear Sam’s thoughts.

        On a financial standpoint, the car is definitely appreciating as they are getting more and more rare. Here in Japan is an icon and I’m 100% sure that, should the worst happen, I will be able to sell it. My salary is also going up and I work in sales with the possibility to earn large commission chunks. My plan is to save an additional 15-20K and pull the trigger.

  20. CARLITOS says

    I just have to ask here, im new to the financial mastery side of Life. I turned 25 two months ago, I have a job, ive been studying currency trading for quite some time now and aspire to become a stockbroker. I come from a working class family. Currently I make $16 an hour for a position that I know is worth much more (mortgage industry) but took it to get my foot in the door. Anyways, being from the working class, surrounded by people also in the working class, my “$16 an hour” is an “ooo ahhh” amongst my friends. I’ve been wanting to surround myself with people who A) Already make good money to teach me the art of making and spending money, or B) Someone who is as ambitious as I am to push eachother to make good money.
    Im just reading your comments, and how you guys throw around “i make $100k, $250k $300k a year” like it’s nothing, almost as if you’re disappointed in making that! lol My point is, I cant even fathom making that kind of income. What do you guys do? how did you get started? what tips do you have? Do you guys have degrees? are you self starters? are you guys on salary or business owners, if salary, how the hell did you land such a high paying job and what kind of responsibilities do you have?
    My youngest brother and I, (he’s 18) are the only ones in my entire family with ‘starry eyes’, we dream big, we work hard, we want it, and we want it bad.
    I however, have been going through financial issues with a stupid BMW lemon that I bought a year ago ($4,000 bought.. I’ve spent $4,000 worth of parts into it within this 1 year) .. cant sell it because it wont pass smog, and now im stuck with a late registration because it just wont pass, still afraid its going to shut down on me at a red light at any given moment despite repairs.. yea.. . Anyways, as soon as I get that out of the way, im going to finance a vehicle (about $10,-$12,000) simply because I’ve spent the money on an “about 10% of your income car” and repairs have killed me since day 1, i’d rather put up with financing, maybe even purchase extended warranty, because I tell you.. I know for a fact, there’s nothing like that peace of mind, that your car wont leave you stranded anywhere.
    I’m glad to be on this website, and I hope to reach the tax brackets of all of you before I reach 30!

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