I recently decided to convert my 401(k) into a rollover IRA and I’d like to share with you why. Given I no longer have earned income as an early retiree, I can no longer contribute to my company 401(k). For those of you who are transitioning to a new job, rolling over your 401k is a good idea.
Even though my 401(k) had 40 or so mutual fund choices provided across various sectors, countries, and asset classes, it wasn’t enough for what I wanted to do. Many people who rollover their 401(k) feel the same way. With an IRA, you’ve got plenty more investment options.
The Benefits Of Converting Your 401(k) Into A Rollover IRA
1) More selection.
I always want to be fully invested in my 401(k) because I’ve got other portions of my net worth in risk-free investments such as CDs. I treat my 401(k) like my own little hedge fund or mutual fund and so should you. You wouldn’t invest in a mutual fund that decides to go 80% cash because the reason why you are investing in a mutual fund is for equity or bond exposure. Equity mutual funds also have restrictions to how much cash they can hold e.g. usually 5% maximum.
My 401(k) is restricted to mutual funds only. I cannot buy specific stocks or ETFs nor can I short any securities as a hedge. To get short the markets I either have to go to cash or buy a bond fund, which admittedly turned out quite well (Read: The Proper Asset Allocation Of Stocks And Bonds By Age and see VUSUX). In essence, I wanted to move from being a macro fund to a hege fund who picked specific stocks with the flexibility to hedge. Names such as Apple, Baidu, and Sina are on my list. A rollover IRA offers much more selection.
2) Lower costs.
The only costs you have when buying a stock is the transaction cost. I get 100 free trades for the first year of my rollover, so my transaction costs will likely be nothing for one year. ETF costs are usually 0.1% or less, which is why the ETF industry has grown tremendously at the expense of the actively managed mutual fund industry.
I ran my 401(k) through Personal Capital’s 401(k) Fee Analyzer and discovered my existing portfolio at the time would have cost me $1,700+ a year. That’s a ridiculous sum of money to be losing. I can easily construct my own portfolio of specific stocks and ETFs for $0 fees or probably less than $100 a year on a ~$400,000 portfolio. That’s a no brainer in my mind. If you haven’t run your 401(k) through the fee analyzer, I strongly suggest you do, especially since it costs nothing.
3) Less trading restrictions.
My 401(k) and practically all 401(k)s have trading restrictions for the number of times you can rebalance a year. My old 401(k) restricted me to 13 rebalances a year until I would be locked out from rebalancing for a full three months after the limit was hit. Even if I wanted to move a minuscule 1% from one fund to another fund, that would count as a rebalance.
One probably shouldn’t conduct more than four major rebalances a year, but if you really like to optimize your portfolio by sticking to some specific percentage balances, 401(k) rebalancing restrictions are quite onerous. With my rollover IRA I can trade as much as I want provided I have the cash balance. Read: How Often Should I Rebalance My 401(k) A Year for more thoughts on the topic.
With a rollover IRA, you can trade all you want. Just don’t become a habitual day trader. You most likely won’t be able to outperform the market over the long term.
4) Less tax headaches.
If you like to trade, you will have to reconcile your trades (report your cost basis) every single year to the IRS. About 10 years ago I completely forgot to report the cost basis for around $2 million in trades for some reason. The IRS therefore thought I made $2 million in trading profits and sent me a tax bill for over $500,000! In reality, I probably made only around $30,000 in profits as the $2 million was simply the total value of transactions. I sent in my individual costs by security and they exonerated me from the bill a couple months later.
With the rollover IRA, you can literally make a million trades and you won’t have to input a million reconciliations because the IRS only taxes you during the time of withdrawal on the total amount. This is something many people do not realize so feel free to ask questions in the comments section if you are unclear.
The IRS doesn’t see all the buys and sells in your 401(k) either, but you are restricted from the amount of trades you can make. For those with a tendency to trade, a rollover IRA is much better than a 401(k).
5) Penalty free early withdrawals.
There is an interesting rule called the 72(t) distribution which allows for early withdrawal before the age of 59.5. The catch is that once you elect to withdraw early you must continue to withdraw for five years or until you turn 59.5, whichever is longer. Your principal withdrawal is going to be taxed as ordinary income taxes so there is no free lunch.
The 72(t) distribution is great for folks who have retired early and have a sizable IRA they would like to tap. Let’s use me for example. I retired at 35 and have a rollover IRA that is worth roughly $400,000. I’m moving from the top income tax bracket of 39.6% to the 25% tax bracket thank goodness. What I can do is comfortably withdraw $10,000 a year in principal for 25 years until I’m 60 since some of the $400,000 is due to gains. Taking out $250,000 at a 25% tax bracket vs. a 39.6% tax bracket is roughly $37,000 less in taxes I’ve got to pay!
The 72(t) distribution is another reason why I’m against a ROTH IRA (pay taxes up front). You aren’t going to be making more money and paying a higher tax rate in retirement than when you are working.
The Negatives Of A Rollover IRA
1) May blow yourself up.
With a wider selection of securities to choose from, you will be tempted to invest in things you wouldn’t normally be able to buy in your 401(k). I’m constantly going after higher risk, growth stocks like Tesla, Amazon, Apple, and Sina. Apple doesn’t seem to expensive, even at record highs, but who knows about the Chinese internet names? It’s easier to speculate more once you have more options. A 401k, and its limited options of funds may save you from yourself!
My 401(k) would probably only fluctuate +/- 15% for a 12 month period based on how I’ve constructed my portfolio. With growth stocks I could easily see +/- 30% swings to $280,000 to $520,000+.
Most professional money managers can’t outperform their respective indices. Therefore, your chances are slim too. You may really hurt your overall performance as an active investor.
2) Might be more stressful.
When you’ve got all the power, all the glory and all the pain is on you. I used to check my 401(k) linked to my Personal Capital account along with other portfolios maybe once or twice a week to make sure everything is on track. Now I check my rollover IRA on a daily basis because I’ve got much higher risk with single stock investments. Speak to any hedge fund analyst or manager and they will tell you they are always on because of what’s going on in the Asian markets at night and the European market closing during our early mornings.
You can easily reduce your stress by having a more diversified rollover IRA portfolio that mimics exactly what you would have bought in a 401(k). But I’m a balls to the wall type of guy who bets big if I believe strongly in something. Having 25 positions at 4% each is very uninteresting. Give me five positions at 20% each or even three positions at 33% each and it’s game on! One of my biggest regrets at age 22 was not investing more in a stock that returned 50X in one year. At least I did invest several thousand dollars which I parlayed into my first rental property.
We can talk about portfolio theory and the efficient frontier in another post. I’m very risk loving with my rollover IRA because I don’t need the money and I can’t touch the money without penalty until age 59.5. My pre-tax retirement portfolios have always been seen as funny money where the government could easily taketh away.
3) Retail prices and higher fees.
Your 401(k) plan will probably have institutional prices for their mutual fund offerings which are lower than retail prices. Think of lower pricing like buying at Costco or group health insurance. Retail investors don’t have bulk pricing power and therefore will pay more for the same fund in an IRA most of the time.
The PIMCO Total Bond fund has an expense ratio of 0.46% for institutional investors and a 1.6% expense ratio for class C retail investors. Hence, if you like your mutual fund selections in your 401(k) then it doesn’t make sense to leave your 401(k) and buy the same mutual funds in your IRA.
4) Have to make an effort.
Rolling over your 401(k) into an IRA takes action. Most people I know are either scared of investing or too lazy to stay on top of their investments. I didn’t roll over my 401(k) for one full year because I was happy with just making macro bets and didn’t want to bother trying to figure out how to rollover the portfolio.
Luckily the internet has made things as easy as cake. I logged onto my Fidelity account and clicked the “rollover” option, answered some questions and viola! My rollover IRA was available the very next day. I think all of the major financial firms that have 401(k) plans also have rollover IRA options. It’s much easier than you think. Just give them a call or click around on the homepage.
Roll Over Your 401(k) Into A Rollover IRA If You Can
I recommend everybody who has lost a job or who is transitioning to a new job to rollover their 401(k) into an IRA due to an increased selection of investments, lower expenses, and more flexibility. Just be honest with yourself in understanding your own risk tolerance and gambling tendencies. Make no mistake that the stock market is the world’s largest casino. There’s a reason why vernacular such as “making a bet on XYZ stock” exists. Nobody knows the future, but we can all make educated investment decisions.
Please continue to do your best and max out your 401(k)s and IRAs in the meantime. The contribution limit for your 401(k) and IRA is $19,500 and $6,000, respectively. You will surprise yourself by how quickly your contributions add up over time!
Related: A Roth IRA Conversion Is Probably A Waste OF Time And Money
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About the Author: Sam began investing his own money ever since he opened an online brokerage account online in 1995. Sam loved investing so much that he decided to make a career out of investing by spending the next 13 years after college working at Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse Group. During this time, Sam received his MBA from UC Berkeley with a focus on finance and real estate. In 2012, Sam was able to retire at the age of 34 largely due to his investments that now generate roughly $200,000 a year in passive income. He spends time playing tennis, hanging out with family, consulting for leading fintech companies, and writing online to help others achieve financial freedom.
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Rober Weaver says
I have 1.2 million in a vanguard administer 401k, among 6 different funds. I retired in 2016 at 64 and don’t really plan to withdrawal funds until age 70. Wanting to understand the process I called to execute a $500 withdraw. What I found was I couldn’t identify which fun I wanted the funds to come from. And they have to do a wire transfer to my bank checking account vs an easy transfer to my Vanguard Money Market account. The plan distributes the withdraw among all 6 funds. I don’t like that it limits me to use funds that are up vs ones that may be down in the market. I was keeping the 401K because I like the ease of rebalancing but now I am thinking about rolling the 401K to individual IRA’s and make withdraws easier and targeted.
I’m going to be leaving my current job in the very near future and I’m considering rolling over my 401k into an individual IRA. Currently I have a standard account with Td ameritrade that I’ve been putting money into and successfully doing swing trades with for years now. Are there rules in place that would not allow me to roll over my 401k into this type account?
Dilu Nicholas says
I recently was laid off and now have run out of my severance benefits. I have enrolled in school full-time and am working as a student worker making under $10,000/year, which is a huge decrease in my annual income.
I have a 403b account with just under $17,000 in it. I am planning on rolling it over into a rollover IRA. I also need to take a cash withdrawal of about $9,000 to help with my higher-education expenses for the year. I’ve been told, for higher education purposes you can avoid paying the 10% penalty.
What are my best options to save on taxes on the money I am pulling out and make the most of the $8,000 that I am leaving behind in my roll-over IRA?
Also, as my income has reduced drastically since the end of June 2015, is it better for me to rollover into a Traditional or Roth IRA?
Thank you so much!
DN, Louisville, KY
This may be off topic slightly but I couldn’t find an email address.
I made a (big?) mistake when I rolled my 401k over. Instead of getting it all in one lump sum, my old company gave me what I had invested in their stock as a common stock distribution!
I did not mean to do this. In fact, when I called the lady said it’s because I didn’t check a certain box I needed too in able to have gotten it all in one lump “cash” sum.
I’m only 31 and obviously understand the before 55/59.5 issue along with the 10% penalty. At this point I’m fairly certain I don’t have any other recourse than to treat this is an early distribution.
The value of the stock is roughly $40,000 and is also roughly 40% of my total 401k. Can you give me any advice to minimize the tax/penalty potential? Should I keep the stock for a certain period of time? Should I sell it?