You might be afraid of an adjustable rate mortgage increase once the introductory fixed rate period is over. However, there is always an adjustable rate mortgage increase cap that prevents the borrower from paying too much.
Let me explain how much an adjustable rate mortgage (ARM) can increase using my own 5/1 ARM example. In my strong opinion, taking out an ARM over a 30-year fixed rate mortgage is the best way to go to save money.
Interest rates and mortgage rates have been coming down since the 1980s. Sure, there will be temporary bouts of elevated inflation for a year or two. But due to efficiency, technology, and a more intertwined world, interest rates will likely stay low for the rest of our lives. Paying a higher mortgage rate than you need is a suboptimal decision.
Adjustable Rate Mortgage Increase Cap
We bought a San Francisco single family fixer in 1H2014 for $1,250,000. We were tired of living in the north end of San Francisco for the past 9.5 years and wanted a change of scenery.
Originally, we had planned to relocate to Hawaii, but when we found our current house with ocean views, we though this would be a good compromise.
We put down 20% and took out a $992,000 5/1 ARM. Originally, I was going to put down 32%, because I had about $430,000 come due from a 4.1% 5-year CD. But with a mortgage rate of only 2.5%, I felt it was worth borrowing more and investing the difference.
The 2.5% 5/1 ARM was based on the one year LIBOR rate + a 2.25% margin – 0.25% discount for being an excellent customer. Back in 2014, the one year LIBOR rate was at only 0.5%, hence my 2.5% rate.
LIBOR As An Index For An ARM
The London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR) is the average interest rate at which leading banks borrow funds from other banks in the London market.
LIBOR is the most widely used global “benchmark” or reference rate for short-term interest rates. Check out the historical one-year LIBOR chart below.
As you can tell from the one-year LIBOR chart, I bottom-ticked my mortgage rate in 2014. Some of you might be thinking that instead of getting a 5/1 ARM, I should have gotten a 30-year fixed rate instead.
But given my strong belief that we will be in a permanently low interest rate environment for the rest of our lives, I felt that paying 0.85% – 1.25% more for a 30-year fixed rate was a waste of money. So my actions followed my brain.
Besides, the average homeownership duration in America is only around eight years. At most, one may consider taking out a 10/1 ARM to match durations.
Matching ARM With Ownership Duration
As I planned to either sell my home within 10 years in order to buy a nicer home in Hawaii or pay off the mortgage during this time frame, to me, taking out a 5/1 ARM was worth the “risk.”
At one point during my 5-year introductory fixed rate term, LIBOR rose to about 3%. Based on a net 2% margin, this would mean my ARM could potentially reset to 5.25%.
If I end up paying 5% for the next five years, my average mortgage rate over a 10 year period would be 5% + 2.5% = 7.5% / 2 = 3.75%. 3.75% is pretty much in-line with the rate I would have gotten if I just locked in a 30-year fixed rate mortgage back in 2014.
However, with the money saved from not paying a 30-year fixed mortgage and the $100,000+ less in downpayment, I ended up investing the difference and earned a ~12% return on average from 2014 – 2022 because the stock market went up.
The percentage of loans that are adjustable loans is still under 5%. This is unfortunate because this means 95% of American mortgage borrowers are paying a higher interest rate than they should.
Terms Of My ARM Increase
But surprise! I didn’t end up paying an estimated 5% mortgage rate in 2019. Instead, based on my adjustable rate mortgage increase cap, I received a letter saying that I’ll be paying at most 4.5%. Have a look at the portion of the letter below.
The reason why my rate only goes up from 2.5% to 4.5% is that under the terms of my mortgage, my ARM can only reset by at most 2% after the initial 5-year fixed rate of 2.5% is up.
This maximum reset amount is pretty standard among ARM loans. But this reset amount is something you must have your bank point out in the document.
Maximum Mortgage Interest Rate For ARMs
The other thing to note is that ARM loans generally have a maximum mortgage interest rate they can charge for the life of your loan. In my case, that maximum is 7.5%, but we’re never going to get there in my opinion.
Unfortunately, after one full year at 4.5%, my bank can raise my ARM by another 2%, bringing my mortgage rate up to 6.5% for year seven.
However, I doubt rates will keep on surging higher as the global economy slows. Instead, by the time my ARM reset occurs again in 7/1/2020, we might very well be in a recession with one year LIBOR rates moving back down.
What ended up happening was that before my five-year term ran out, I refinanced my 5/1 ARM into a 7/1 ARM at 2.625% with no fees in 2019. It was a difficult refinance, but one that I am so happy I did.
In 2020, I ended up buying a new primary residence and renting out my old house. Thankfully I refinanced my mortgage in 2019 because if I had waited until after I rented out my property, the mortgage rate would be at least 0.5% higher for rental properties. Always refinance before renting out your property to get the best rate.
Paying Down Principal Will Lower Payments Once An ARM Resets
You can see from the letter that despite my mortgage rate increasing from 2.5% to 4.5%, an 80% increase, my monthly payment was only expected to increase from $3,919.60 to $4,079.33, a mere 4% rise.
The reason for the slight increase in monthly mortgage payment is because we’ve paid down 32% of our loan in 4.5 years ($992,000 down to $734,000).
Paying down over $250,000 in our mortgage was partly due to normal monthly principal payments coupled with random extra principal pay downs. Although the 2.5% interest rate is low, paying down mortgage debt has always been part of my long term investment strategy.
Following my FS-DAIR strategy, I would regularly try and use 25% of my free cash flow to pay down debt and use the other 75% to invest. Again, I’m just taking action based on my own advice.
I kept on paying down principal randomly until the 10-year yield breached 2.5% in December 2017. Once the 10-year yield was higher than 2.5%, I stopped because I was now getting an interest-free mortgage since I could simply invest the amount of my mortgage in a 10-year bond yield to cover all my payments.
If I had taken out a 30-year fixed mortgage for 3.625%, I wouldn’t have been able to experience interest-free living.
Your mileage will vary in terms of how much principal you actually paid down during the initial fixed rate period of your ARM. However, even if you didn’t pay down any extra principal during a five year period, you will have still paid down ~10% of your principal balance, depending on your interest rate.
Appreciation In Your Home’s Value
Even if you’ve got to pay a higher mortgage rate when your ARM resets, you may be pleased to discover that your home has appreciated in value during the fixed rate period. The higher interst rates go, it likely means there’s higher inflation due to higher demand.
In my example, the San Francisco median home price increased from $1,100,000 in 2014 to ~$1,650,000 in 2020, or a 50% increase.
A $550,000 median principal increase more than makes up for a measly $159.63 monthly increase in mortgage payment, roughly half of which is going to pay down principal anyway.
Again, your home’s appreciation amount will vary. Unless you timed your home purchase completely wrong, such as buying in 4Q2006 – 4Q2008, you’ll likely come out OK.
Even if you did purchase at the most recent peak, normal downturns usually last no more than 3-5 years with 10% – 20% corrections.
Make A Mortgage Pay Down Plan
When I got the letter stating my adjustable rate mortgage increase, I had a year before my mortgage rate was to increase from 2.5% to 4.5%. As a result, I came up with a mortgage pay down play during the remaining months. So should you once your adjustable rate mortgage is set to increase.
Bottom line, don’t be afraid of an adjustable rate mortgage increase. Rates likely won’t increase or increase by much. If mortgage rates do, you can always pay down principal or refinance to another reasonable rate.
Summary Of What Happens When An ARM Resets
1) Match the duration of your mortgage’s fixed duration with the estimated ownership duration or the length of time you estimate it will take to pay off the mortgage.
2) Paying for a 30-year fixed rate mortgage might provide you more peace of mind, but you’re likely overpaying for that peace of mind.
3) Read the terms of your ARM loan carefully and figure out what is the maximum interest rate increase during the first reset and what is the lifetime interest rate cap.
4) Try to make extra payments during your ARM’s fixed rate period to relieve potential interest rate pressure during the reset.
5) Don’t borrow more than you can comfortably afford = no greater than a 80% loan-to-value ratio with a 10% cash buffer after a 20% downpayment. Being overly leveraged is what consistently destroys people’s finances.
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In order to make more money, mortgage brokers and banks LOVE to scare the heck out of inexperienced homebuyers by saying their payments will surge higher once an ARM resets.
They don’t show them a 35-year historical chart of declining interest rates. By scaring their customers, they have a higher chance of locking them into 30-year fixed rate mortgages for fatter margins. Don’t be fooled. Mortgage rates have been trending down for decades.
What Happens When An Adjustable Rate Mortgage Resets And Increases is a FS original post.
Sam- great article. I have a 10/1 IO Arm with 7 years left at 4%. We just sold our free and clear rental property in San Diego. I’m going through the same debate right now with the SALT caps. We have 400k worth of cash that I just moved from AMEX Savings to CIT (thanks to you). With our mortgage being an I/O, we could save $1330 a month on interest if I throw that cash at the mortgage. (Balance of 560, house worth 850).
Considering paying it down, and opening a large HELOC in case buying opportunities return in the next few years. Question is, better off keeping the cash, or paying it down? Ran the numbers every way possible and over a 5 year period looks like a net 45k in interest savings if we do not end up re-investing that cash in something.
Simple Money Man says
I refinanced to a 7 year ARM for 3.25% a couple years ago. The ARM does make me nervous and if rates drop back in the next few years, I may switch up to a fixed rate. I moved almost 10 years ago and plan to live here for a long time.
Love ARMs – a great tool that much better matches duration that you need. Much better ARM opportunities a couples years back vs now where the curve is much flatter.
One thing to note, for borrowers that are close to the banks max income to payment ratios, the ARM might be harder to qualify for than the fixed as you need to be able to afford a higher rate.
Also I know the average rate calculation was done for simplicity. But in reality your savings are even higher. Your principal post the reset is lower than initially (even without additional principal payments). So you are paying a lower rate on a higher balance and a higher rate on a lower balance.
Lots of math- but a good way to see the value of the ARM is to compare it by payments. If the 30yr fixed is X bps higher than the ARM, the additional payment is Y. If you prepaid that additional premium, and see where your loan balance is at the first reset. Then calc your max payment based on that 2% step up and see how many payments you have left – you will payoff earlier than the original 30yrs due to prepayments. Then compare that max payment to the payment you need to make on the 30yr fixed to pay it off at the same time. Generally, if you can qualify for the ARM, you will come out ahead with the ARM over the 30yr fixed but harder to do today with a very flat curve. I like a 15yr fixed if you can afford the higher payments.
Does the loss of SALT deductibility play a role in your mortgage plans?
Financial Samurai says
Absolutely. Based on the $10K SALT cap… and a 4.5% impending mortgage rate, I should pay down the mortgage by around $500K – $600K come reset time.
But I may just take the standardized deduction of $12K. Less mortgage debt is better at the end of the day.
Didn’t the standard deduction double to 24,000 for married couples. Thought I had read that somewhere?
Financial Samurai says
Yes, I was talking about per person.
Thanks Sam. Got nervous for second there.
The standard deduction is $24,400 for married couples filing jointly in 2019.
Guessing!, you may have over $75,000 (?) in SALT and maybe another $10,000 (?) in other deductions. At that level, you would lose about $60,000 in deductions. Your income tax rate will come down so you may be about even with 2018 (?) if you leave things alone, but not as good as someone who did not rely on SALT to reduce taxes, maybe to the tune of $12,000 – $15,000 (???).
Thank You Bob. Appreciate the information.
It’s a wild guess. I was trying to see if STS ($am the $amurai) thinks it is close.
That’s nice your bank will only reset your rate by at most 2% after the initial 5-year fixed rate is done. What an insightful 30-year mortgage interest rate chart too! It’s crazy to see how high rates were back in the early 80s, wow. What a huge difference to today!
Sad and frustrated says
Reading all of your posts I feel very foolish. I purchased my home in 1999 first home 30 year fixed 6.5%. Knowing myself not planning on ever moving 20 years this March. Paid extra toward principle got down to owing $68k thats when I made one of the biggest mistakes of my life I refinanced and wound up on roller coaster ride with ARM trying to keep my house from 2005 through 2009 with a well known western name company rates wnt up to almost 12%. I battled for years sending every dime I had to them. I then contacted local states attorney never got addition funds applied to the mortgage did finally get lower interest rates after modification. Lost my job 2011 thank God for grown children they helped me out when I used up all my savings in 2014 had no income couldn’t work because of health issues. Frustrated because kids were taking care of me I took early pension and lost alot of it. In 2016 my kids hired a lawyer for me helped get another modification because my payments and amount owed had sky rocketed and my monthly income was only $1700. The attorney found I supposedly owed almost $95k interest rate was 5.5%. After the modification $16k was forgiven my payments dropped to $435 with 2.5 interest for 5 years. I had a house fire in 2017 while out of the house waiting for repairs to be completed my kids wanted to pay off remaining amount I asked mortgage company for pay off hoping they would give me a break because of the fire they actually quoted me more than what was owed. Insurance went up because of fire so mortgage went up by $250. I don’t want my kids to have spend that kind of money when they have families and mortgages themselves. I don’t know what to do.
Financial Samurai says
Hi there, can you explain how your mortgage interest rate went up to 12%? That doesn’t sound right because interest rates started declining further during the financial crisis. Did you get a negative amortization loan?
Hope things get better for you.
Sam can you comment on how to view the trade off between maximizing mortgage interest write off vs the pay down logic in ur post. Seems like that is one other factor to consider.
Financial Samurai says
The $10,000 SALT cap is something all homeowners should factor in now for 2019.
In 2016 I refinanced into my cherished 10 year 2.45% fixed rate loan. I had been paying extra on my mortgage and decided that I should be compensated for it; I have not since paid any extra as this long term rate approximates what the current market will pay for liquid funds. I guess there is some opportunity cost with the increased payment each month but because the rate was so low and I had reduced the principal through paying down my first mortgage it was only $300/month more. I think this is an overlooked product which combines low rates of an ARM with the certainty of a fixed rate, but as most buyers probably look to buy as much house as they can afford amortizing the principal over 10 years is probably not realistic most of the time.
Ran Shenhar says
Can you explain the logic of waiting for month 61 before you throw in the extra principal?
Financial Samurai says
Opportunity cost and other investments that may pay more than 2.5%.
The 10-year bond yield, for example, is back to 2.7%. That’s a risk free return. The 1-year bond yield is at 2.6%.
Thank you for posting this because it’s very much on my mind. when I lived in Florida and before that I lived in the house for six and two years and so I was glad I used ARM loans. I bought my current house in 2016 at 3% for the 5/1 loan. I have been fretting when that goes up off and wishing that I had gone with the 3 7/8% for 30 years that I had the option for. I feel better with what you said but it’s a little hard to pay it down with the market being down right now and the stocks that I put some of the free cash in down. But I appreciate this post as I feel a lot better with not going with a 30 year mortgage
and I still have two years left before it goes up and who knows if I might get a new job and move away.
Interesting, we have had a fixed rate for 20 years and there months at an unheard of rate 6.75%. I have come across since rates at 2.75: from the last 3 years to currently 4.7 and had been trying to get my co title owner, husband, on board to understand, see the big picture of the money wasting making our home payment total amount more than tripled. I miss the banking earnings at these higher rates which we will never see again. Yet paying these rates on a big ticket item such as mortgage is maddening. You can take the horse to the water, but you cant make it drink it.
Suggestions, I know the Harp program is gone, it had benefits and no appraisal required.
How to make see-suggestions, figures/calculations/options/to see the loss and gains
Northwest Islander says
Thanks for the post; great stuff for me to consider.
I am closing on a first position $400k HELOC. First draw of $350k will be fixed at 2.865% for 12 months. Will use the funds to substantially expand a property I purchased in Q218 into a mini family compound with 3+ live/work residences (vs. the current single residence). Will keep the funds in my high yield savings account (currently 2.10%) until needed. Suspect permitting will take ~6 months, but I will get as far as I can in 2019 with the HELOC funds.
Plan was to re-finance to a 30-year fixed at the close of 2019, since I plan to hold and own this property for 50+ years (I am mid-30s). Have multiple close relatives with various medical issues that may mean I need to support/subsidize them, and this was the best way I could see to do that. Otherwise, my property will be a terrific little rental (very flexible usage since my zoning is mixed use/commercial) only 45 minutes from downtown Seattle, no car needed.
Now I will do more research into ARMs…
Financial Samurai says
FYI, CIT Bank has an online money market rate of 2.45% right now. Not sure how long it will last, but that’s much better than 2.1%.
Be careful leveraging too aggressively right now, especially around Seattle. Volume is way up and prices are down. Not sure how long the softness will last, but I expect all year at least.
Is it just me, or are you letting some other folks author today? This piece has a different tone, as do the comments. Who’s at the keyboard? Ms. Sam?
Financial Samurai says
Yes, I am an AI program named Winston. How may I help you Mike?
What are some of the passages that gave me away so I can improve on my algorithmic writing?
The last time you commented was on 8/08/2018. Where have you been?
Well you mentioned hiring some help recently, and that the writers would have to be a perfect fit. I agree! I’m sure you’ll find a good balance/fit for the site.
I visit weekly and read almost everything, except for most of the comments, have been for over 5 years. Sometimes there is some substance in a few comments, not really worth digging through; most of the meat is in your writing and deeper logic explanations.
I don’t understand the view that rates have gone down for 30+ years and will continue to be low for our lifetimes. They can’t go down forever. They spiked up in ’68, ’73, ’78, etc. They’ve spiked in other countries.
Rates go up and down. My “historically low’ 3.375% 30-year fixed is a bet that either inflation or rates will take off sometime in the next 28 years. Won’t there be upward pressure on the US10Y eventually as US debt-to-GDP keeps creeping up, now past 105+%? Won’t there be inflation pressure if in the next recession we drop rates back down to 0%, run out of room, and have to expand the money supply?
Maybe I’ve been reading too much “Lords of Fianance”, but I feel like there’s huge upside to the chance of paying off my mortgage in inflated dollars or pocketing the difference of investment at high rates… and if I’m wrong, the downside is like 100-125 bp. OK at 6%, I’d just ARM and aggressively pay off but not at 3.375%
Your point about personal circumstance is very true. I’m thinking forever term, because after moving once a year in my 20s, I’m going to die in this house 100 years from now!
Financial Samurai says
You have all the right to spend 30 years paying down your mortgage. Inflation will definitely help inflate away the cost.
Because I’m focused on reaching financial independence sooner, I’ve always had the goal of paying down mortgage debt sooner as well.
I’ve been so focused on optimizing my finances to reach Financial independence, but sometimes, I forget that it’s OK to waste some money sometimes, especially once you’ve already reached your goals.
This is why I am kind of reluctant to do a refinance. I don’t want to go through the experience nor do I want to pay fees. I’ll just more aggressively pay down debt now that I have an incentive.
Definitely do what’s best for you!
I comment specifically because I am muddled in my own mind about how to quantify this decision of ARM vs. fixed, pay off now vs later. I feel like I’m making the rational choice, but am definitely open to people pointing out how I’m wasting money…
I hate having any debt, and I feel like once a quarter I revisit whether I should be paying this thing down but then convince myself to hold off.
Financial Samurai says
Your rate is not very high. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I have never regretted paying off debt though, no matter how low the interest-rate.
Oh Sam, I think you’re the only person on Earth excited by a 2% increase in mortgage payments ;)
After reading your blog posts about mortgages, I was originally going to do a 7/1 ARM when I bought my home in, of all times, Q1 2018 (the worst time to buy, as per your article). I ended up deciding against when I saw that the difference in payment would literally be only a few dollars amount (I don’t remember exactly, but it was a comically small amount like $8 or something). Meanwhile, an ARM with your average 2/2/5 adjustment values would have risked pushing me into the 8% territory if rates continued to rise. I figured that simplicity would be best for me and went with the 30 fixed and decided to just pay extra each month. I think I’ve paid off over 10% of the principal in my first year.
It helps that my purchase price was only $120,000, and in a HCOL city as well. People usually think I’m leaving off an extra zero until I tell them it’s a 1 bedroom coop with an $800 HOA.
STILL cheaper than renting! :)
Regarding one thing you’ve mentioned:
“In order to make more money, mortgage brokers and banks LOVE to scare the heck out of inexperienced homebuyers by saying their payments will surge higher once an ARM resets.”
I’m sure part of it is that, but I think part of it is also for compliance/liability issues. In today’s lawsuit-happy society, I imagine lenders are nervous about being sued by borrowers angry that their rates went up. Having worked in retail banking, I can’t tell you how many times customers threatened legal action because of chronic overdraft or maintenance fees on poorly managed accounts. You can bet a local politician and a self-serving lawyer would stand behind these people in a class action lawsuit if there was ever a situation today with low-middle income people paying 5% or more on mortgages that were under 3% a year or two ago.
ARB–Angry Retail Banker
Financial Samurai says
Good point on compliance.
Jury is still out on whether 1Q2018 was a terrible time to buy. Prices have definitely softened, but if they only go down by 5% or 10%, that’s not a big deal.
This goes back to the classic “be greedy when others are fearful” mindset. After 08, everyone had this “ARMs are how you go bankrupt” mantra beaten into their skull so hard that they refused to take a second look at them (second looks appear to be rarer than common sense). When your neighbor is partying like its 1999, you know it’s time to build a cash hoard. That 32 foot boat with a decked out audio system will be a screaming deal in a couple years when they are trying to keep from having their last Tahoe from being repossessed…
Bonus points if you can get them to buy it back from you when “the going gets good” again for an ROI that would make a payday loan joint blush.
SKoo Bee says
I am in the same boat as you – doing ARMs forever. Your math is what I was mentally thinking about, but you have made the argument much more concrete. Thanks.
Here in Australia the norm is to have a variable rate mortgage (same in Britain) and you can only get a fixed rate for 1-3 years or so at a time. So, that seemed pretty pointless to me and I went with the standard variable rate. Mortgage rates have been flat to drifting down over the time since we got our mortgage at the end of 2014. We got a 30 year term.
Mortgage interest on owner occupied property is not tax deductible here, so what my plan is is to almost pay off the mortgage and then redraw it and invest it. That will make the interest tax deductible. I’m in the top tax bracket of 47% (no state income taxes here), which comes in at about USD 130k p.a. After that, I won’t be in a hurry to pay off the mortgage. Seems I am relatively high risk taker.
I didn’t realize that paying down the loan principal would reduce your monthly payments. Did you have to request a recalculation, or is that automatic for your loan?
My most recent mortgage is a 30-year fixed (3.3%) because there was almost zero spread between that and any of the adjustable rates.
Financial Samurai says
I think it’s standard with ARMs. Although it’s always good to double check.
It makes sense that if the principal balance is lower on the reset, then the interest amount paid would be lower all else being equal.
SKOO Bee says
Interest is always recalculated per month as principal gets paid off, automatically or extra.
Your payment amount does not change if you pay down principle. You just end up with fewer payments. Now, in the case of an ARM, you can probably recalculate your new payment when it’s time to reset the rate using the remaining principle balance, but I doubt you recalculate your payment every time unscheduled principle is paid.
If you have a 2,200 principle and interest payment each month, this will not change if you make an unscheduled principle payment. You will just make less mortgage payments if you hold it to maturity. If you have an ARM, your new payment will be calculated on the remaining balance and new rate.
I just bought a house this past spring. I was able to get a jumbo 5/1 ARM for 3.5. The bank suggested I go for the 30 year since “rates are going to rise.”
Ya know….as I walk around Europe I see 25 and 30 year mortgage rates for 1.5% . Japan is even lower. Given our demographics, debt and deficits I would be willing to bet that everyone reading this post will be able to refinance at lower rates in the next couple of years.
Enjoy your current rates and enjoy the coming lower rates.
GenX FIRE says
We did a 30 year fixed because we were not sure we could pay it off quicker. We also were planning for a 20 plus year stay here. As it turns out, we can pay it off quicker. At this rate, we will pay it off in 16 years or 21 total. So a 30 year at 3.25 seems to be good for us. In hind sight, it might have been better for a 15 fixed or something. The question today is do we pay 33% or 45%, but more than that the incremental interest savings is low.
Danny Lee says
Great analysis, Sam. I own a couple properties in northern Virginia. I took out a 7/1 ARM at 3.25% on my condo, and I have a 30-yr fixed at 3.25% on my primary residence. I think an ARM works out better if you know for sure you can pay it down quickly or if you know you’ll sell it soon. I chose the 30-yr fixed on my primary residence because the balance is larger and we plan on staying for a while. From your post, it looks like they reamortize your loan based on the remaining balance when they adjust your rate in the ARM. Is that correct?
Financial Samurai says
My ARM is based on a 30-year term. So after 5 years, it’s got 25 years left. If I refinanced, it would go back to a 30-year term. At 3.25% for a new 5/1 ARM, the payment would be about $3,030, so almost $900/month less. Something I’m considering. But there is a refi fee.
I have the money to pay the entire mortgage off, so I probably won’t go through the refi process.
Mr. FrugaLee says
I see. I’ve done “no-closing cost” refis in the past, where you can “buy up” the rate. Instead of taking 3.25%, you’d take maybe a 3.5% rate and they’d give you, say, a 0.75% credit, which would cover your closing costs and possibly even net you a little cash to cover the appraisal. Just a thought. I did this a couple times as rates went down so I could refi again if rates dropped even more paying little to nothing to capture the lower rate.
YES! We really feel that we lucked out–bought our house in 2012 with 30% down and financed with an interest only 5/1 ARM. Our parents totally freaked out but I read the whole contract and it has a maximum 2% increase per adjustment and a lifetime max of 7%. (They still refuse to believe me despite seeing it for themselves in black and white.) This is such validation as no one seems to believe this could possibly be a good deal. We had a good cushion so we weren’t too worried if it all blew up. No one seems to ‘get it’. The interest savings has been phenomenal and if we resumed a “typical” mortgage payment for house of this valuation, it would be completely paid off in just a few years. No regrets here.
Congratulations on intelligent move for you and your family. I have currently saved $32k and am very interested in buying either a3drcker or2decker unsure of it now. Being some people are telling me it’s a buyer’s market others are telling me it’s a bad move wrong timing right now. Can you please give me some info on 5/1ARM
Another Reader says
I refinanced into a 30 year fixed in late 2012 at 3.125 percent. That mortgage may outlive me. Meanwhile, extra cash went to paying off rental mortgages at much higher rates. A couple of them are no longer on the books.
In retrospect, the ARM was a good move for you. However, interest rates are not always predictable, especially long term, and we will likely have higher rates during some of the 24 years remaining on my mortgage. I will sacrifice the extra interest reduction in the early years for the SWAN aspect of my finances.
I am with you. I would borrow money at 3.125% indefinitely.
In addition to locking in an incredibly low interest rate, you may be in a position to deduct all of, or at least a portion of, your interest expense, so effective rate maybe lower. Also the value of the home will hopefully continue to appreciate, or at least keep up with inflation.
If we end up in a long term environment where investors cannot consistently beat 3.125%,meeting your mortgage will not be your biggest concern.
Financial Samurai says
3.125% is a great rate for a 30-year fixed. I’d be happy with that. At the time, I did refinance to a 2.375% rate with my old primary… so that was the spread I was looking at. But if I took out 3.125% or 3.25% given mine was a jumbo, I would have regretted it because I sold that primary house 3-4 years later.
Gotta figure out what’s right for you.
Gen Y Finance Guy says
I got a notice a while back that the 3/1 ARM on our place was going to reset in June of 2019. We are currently at 2.25%.
Although the rate is set to increase to 4.25% our payment is actually going down significantly since we have and continue to pay down the principal aggressively. We currently owe about $116K and will finally put the mortgage to bed by July of 2019.
We have been paying down $15K to $20K per month and will continue doing so for the next seven months.
We still invest as well. We deployed about $415K in 2018 and about 33% went towards the mortgage. The rest went into stocks and other investments.
Great analysis, as always. My wife and I have been partial to 15-year fixed mortgages to take advantage of the lower rates.
We’re actually moving soon and just locked in a 15-year mortgage at 3.875% — hard to beat a loan longer than 10 years for less than 4%! Years ago, in 2012, we actually got a loan on a 15-year mortgage for what is now a rental property at 2.675% — boom! I’ve never heard of anyone beating that — we don’t intend to pay that one down any faster than we have to.
Overall, I agree with you on 30-year mortgages. Why get such a long duration when average ownership is much shorter? But I lean towards 15-year fixed rather than ARM, mostly for comfort and predictability. That said, I don’t see a big difference. Hopefully by the time your ARM is resetting, you’ve paid down a decent amount.
Good stuff and good luck with any refinancing! If we go into recession (possible, though who knows), refi rates should go even lower.
Young and the Invested says
Hey Sam, just a note that none of the images loaded on the post.
Also, I appear to be one of those fools. I took out a 30-year fixed mortgage on my condo. Why? I didn’t know better. My parents never did and when I went to apply for the loan, I followed their advice. The worst part? I bought my condo at the same time you bought your house. I could have been paying 2.5-2.75% interest (not sure how good of a customer I was in my bank’s eyes) instead of the 4.5% I’m paying now.
And what’s worse, I’m trying to sell it this year before the 5-year period woukdnhave expired (mid-July 2019). Luckily, I got a real bargain on the sales price (15% below market) and only overpaid on interest by a small amount considering how low the purchase price was ($100,000). In the grand scheme of things, I’m coming out way ahead, but it pains me to know I could have made more on the deal. C’est la vie.
In a couple years when my wife and I buy our next place, the 5/1 ARM will definitely be up for consideration. By then, rates will be more likely to be heading down and staying down during the 5-year window than they are now. But as you observe, I don’t think they’re going too much higher from here, either.
Sam – I too have a 5/1 jumbo ARM at 2.75%. However, until Q4 of 2018, any time I thought of paying down the principal, I figured I would make more than 2.75% by investing in the stock market.
Now that that bubble has burst, I plan to use your advice to pay down on a quarterly basis using about 25% of my cash flow
Really smart use of an 5 year ARM mortgage. I guess I fell for the bank’s tricks because of that “peace of mind” and had originally got a 30 year fixed rate for my current home. My mortgage rate at that time was 5.625% (I bought my home in 2005).
I ended up paying off the entire mortgage by year 9. I would have definitely come out ahead using an ARM as well as mortgage interest rates were decreasing at the end. I chose not to refinance as I was at that point aggressively paying down my mortgage (often throwing $15-20k/mo at it extra).
Dave @ Accidental FIRE says
You are correct in that you’re likely overpaying on a 30-year. I bought my house way back in 2001, right after 911 when they cut interest rates to stop the market from tanking after the attacks. I got 6% back then, which was low at the time. Since then of course I’ve refinanced 3 or 4 times and now have 3.25%. But had I picked an ARM – which I was strongly considering – I would have benefited much more.
I just had that kind of negative attitude that “knowing my luck the rates will go up right away”. Things weren’t going well in my life back then and I had a negative attitude, so I wanted the piece of mind. I was the guy that got the parking ticket if I parked my car for two minutes illegally and looked away. Or so it seemed at the time the way things were going.
Life lessons. My 3.25% is nice and low now and I’ll just ride it out.